The Padres have lost their minds
by jbox on Sep 10, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
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Alderson: Padres ticket prices won't change for next season
A few things strike me as strange from this article.
- The first is that Sandy is admitting that the payroll is going to be less than this year's. I swore he was going to deny that until July of next year. Actually maybe he was just denying that it would be cut to $40 million. Well $55 million is a nice compromise. Wait a second! I bet the Padres released the $40 million dollar number on purpose so that when they really did drop the payroll by $18 million we'd be like "Well at least it wasn't dropped to $40m". The Padres and their propaganda machine are good, very good. Misinformation is the way to keep your fans happy and your wallets fat.
- Giles says of Black "He never lost the players". Actually he lost a ton of players. There aren't many players that he didn't lose. Maybe he never lost their love or their friendship, but he lost them in that they are no longer on the team. Somehow Black totally alienated his fan base too. When you're a Manager I think it goes with the territory that everybody hates you irrationally, but Buddy did a complete 180 this year.
- This quote from Hoffman about Black is absolutely crazy to me. “He's done a good job with what was given to him." Okay we didn't re-sign Cameron, Brocail and Blum, but it is about as close to the same team that you're going to get in the big leagues. He had one of the best rotations in baseball with a Cy Young winner, the best bullpen and the best catching crew and turned it into this. Last year we won 89 games this year we've won what 2? 3? I lost track.
- Since Petco Park opened everybody has argued about bringing in the fences at Petco Park and they did bring them in a bit after much debate. Finally Alderson and crew decided that enough was enough and that the players and fans would just have to live with the Park the way it is. That is until Adrian Gonzalez makes this great argument that suddenly changes Alderson's mind:
Cleanup man Adrian Gonzalez has said the right-center wall in Petco Park should be moved 15-20 feet toward home. During batting practice he made his case to Alderson, while pointing to right-center. “He raised the issue,” Alderson said. “We'll leave that for later discussions. He brought it up with me. It's always a possibility.”
He pointed.
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What do we expect Trevor, or any other player to say about their manager?
“He stinks, we should can him.”?
Padres for life
No
but I think Hoffman is just wrong. Bud Black was given a team that should have contended. Agree?
by jbox on Sep 10, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I do!
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by TheThirdGonzalez on Sep 10, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
Publicly he would never say that, of course. But you’re right, the division is so bad there’s no excuse for being 20 games out, or 18, or however many we are back right now.
Padres for life
There are plenty of nice and P.C. things Hoffman could say about Black
but what he said just isn’t true.
"He looks angelic when he's sleeping in the dugout."
Nice AND true.
Padres for life
by sdgaucho on Sep 10, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
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Less payroll doesn’t mean that if somehow they bounce back and are in a position to win the division next year, they won’t go out and improve the team.
Nobody questions the Giles.
Hoffy’s statement backs up what Giles is saying. I have to laugh a bit, “the best” catching crew? LOL.
He had one of the best rotations in baseball with a Cy Young winner,the best bullpen and the best catching crewand turned it into this
The catchers were the same, free stolen bases all around. The bullpen did not return.
Seeing as how you’ve been listening to and writing up the Sandy Alderson interviews, I know for a fact that you know Sandy didn’t just suddenly think of bringing the fences in when Adrian talked to him.
Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Has he been talking about bringing in the fences?
I don’t remember him talking about that at all this season.
I was being sarcastic about the catching crew but now that I read it, it didn’t come across.
He's talked about it
But you know how he is with “on the other hand”
I believe the most recent time was after Gerut flied out there and he said “there’s no way that a player shouldn’t be rewarded for hitting the ball that well.”
Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
Huh?
I’m inclined to agree here – Best bullpen? Best catching crew?
What?
Can somebody explain how Baek being a bad pitcher is Black’s fault? Same with Iguchi, etc…?
In protest of adulthood
Iguchi wasn't that bad
Your thoughts are tainted by his ineptitude following his return from injury (and by that point the team already sucked).
Also, we sucked before Baek got here. He’s just been sent out there to eat up innings, save the bullpen and annoy Cardinals fans.
With all due respect, you are not allowed to find our division rivals sexy.
Manny doesn't think Baek is a bad pitcher
People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power.
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 10, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Payroll
I’m sure some here will disagree, but I don’t think the payroll comes from “We want to spend less next here, so let’s set a payroll to do that”. I think it comes from “We are going to rebuild with our prospects, they don’t cost as much so let’s set a payroll that reflects that”. The $55 million is basically this years team minus Edmonds, Wolf, Maddux, Barrett, and Iguchi plus the 2009 increases for Gerut, Bard, Peavy, Young, Gonzalez, and Greene. I’m also willing to bet that not all of that extra money will be put into John Moores pocket (despite recent photo evidence), instead it will be used to pay the high bonus $ associated with having a top 3 pick (hoping for #1, hoping for #1…) and an adjustment for the lowered attendance associated with a rebuilding year.
With all due respect, you are not allowed to find our division rivals sexy.
Also
Another thing I noticed in that article. In the past, everytime a reporter has mentioned Bud Black, they have consistantly said he’s coming back next year. In this one, it says we aren’t going to make any judgements on coaches until the end of the season. See ya Bud Black??
People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power.
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Sep 10, 2008 12:35 PM PDT reply actions
That would look very foolish (considering the recent contract extension)
But may turn out to be very smart.
With all due respect, you are not allowed to find our division rivals sexy.
It couldn't look any more foolish
than releasing Edmonds after a month of service disservice
"...do hereby declare that I am not a member of the Human race (not an earthling) and in fact am an alien from another planet other than earth. I hope that this will prove to the person that is putting electric shocks to my head that I am an alien. I am declaring this so that I am not in any violation of any world or international laws of the earth as I am showing by this admission that I am in fact an alien."
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