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The Great Road Trip of '08 update and postgame recap

We're just gearing up before taking the long trip down into Nevada (the Silver State). The game last night was my first, in-person, visual evidence that the Padres actually exist since 2006. Let me tell you, they're terrible.

Pregame watched the boys warm up for a good long while. Trevor, Jake and a bunch of the guys running sprints in the outfield. Remember what batting practice used to be like at a major league ballpark? Coors Field and the Rockies actually let you watch batting practice. What kind of backwards practice is that? And then... Players go around and meet fans and sign autographs and it gives Average Fan one less reason to boo a player as they get to know them on a slightly different level.

Is there a good reason why San Diego fans aren't allowed into batting practice before games at Petco? I always figured it was because they actually didn't take batting practice, but there they were, batting practicing away.

While the pitchers were doing sprints in the outfield (to prepare for pinch baserunning opportunities apparently), a group of underage girls kept shouting at Jake and jiggling their unripened bounty in his direction.

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Jake kept grinning slyly saying things like, "If I were 3 years younger, your boyfriends would have competition!" The girls kept cooing things like, "We have a pact to get pregnant and there aren't any homeless guys in our neighborhood!" Needless to say, the girls got a good number of the autographed baseballs.

Also, I figured out Reason #217 why the Padres suck. You'll have to read the rest after the jump...

 

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Reason #217 Why the Padres Suck
After taking sprints, Trevor Hoffman rolled into the infield and took grounders at short. Not only that he was practicing double plays. He must've rolled a couple dozen double plays from shortstop. I'm pretty sure we're converting him.

Back to the update...

There were plenty of Padres fans around and for the most part, we didn't get hassled. Jon didn't get a whole lot of substance on his nachos, and he's pretty sure it's because the guy serving them up didn't want to be serving no dirty Padres fans. I got the brat instead. Delicious brat.

The ballpark itself is really nice. In comparison to New Busch, Coors blows it away. Good sightlines from the concourse. Lots of good food options. Very well done.

The game itself was really terrible. This team is almost completely worthless. It really needs to just get blown up. I'm sure the guys are all very nice and good ballplayers in their own right, but their time with the Padres needs to end. Bud Black and the coaching staff needs to go also if only to save my sanity as I wonder why he and his group are even around.

All in all, it was a good time. Once Jon gets his photos downloaded, we'll get some other stories going. In the meantime, somebody blow this team up. Up, I said.

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Didn't Hoffman start as a shortstop?

With the Reds or something. I could figure this out with Google in 4 seconds, but I’d rather just post what I half remember. It’s the internets, after all—-who wants verifiable facts?

As for BLOWING UP the team, I completely agree. Can all those 16 year old Dominican kids we just signed start playing now? At the very least, it’d be a reason to watch.

by goose1 on Jul 3, 2008 9:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Marlins

but yes, he was a SS

www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com

by justdave on Jul 3, 2008 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and by Marlins I mean Reds

you were right, and I have once again proven myself to be completely incorrect and unreliable

www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com

by justdave on Jul 3, 2008 9:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You had it right

The Reds converted him from a SS to a P. When he went to Marlins organization he had already been converted to a pitcher.

From wikipedia:

Originally drafted by the Cincinnati Reds as a shortstop after leading the University of Arizona team in hitting in 1988 with a .371 batting average, 35 points better than teammate J.T. Snow in 1989, Hoffman was converted to a pitcher in 1991 after batting .212 with 23 RBI in 103 games while playing short and third for Single-A Charleston (then a Cincinnati Reds minor league affiliate). The move, suggested by Charleston manager Jim Lett, was so successful that in his first season on the mound, Hoffman threw a total of 47⅔ innings at Cedar Rapids and at Double-A Chattanooga, and had a 1.89 ERA and 75 strikeouts.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm guessing the Padres were worried about not having enough infielders last night

so they had Hoffman take some grounders. He might’ve been a Greene injury away from getting in the game, too.

"If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself." - Bob Dylan

by JollyWaffle on Jul 3, 2008 10:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

one step away from PMac in center

and Barrett in right. maybe Peavy at 3rd?

www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com

by justdave on Jul 3, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So who needs to be sold from the team this year?

I’m thinking Giles, Wolf, Maddux, Greene, prob more.

by sacpadre on Jul 3, 2008 10:38 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Batting Practice

The visiting team always takes batting practice last, and the home team’s time on the field comes to an end usually at a time coinciding with the public opening of the gates. Pretty sure it’s like this all over.

If you want to see some Padres up close, go see them on the road. I think they’re more inclined to come over since they’re not going to be mobbed by the entire ballpark for approaching the seats.

can you cure us of this fate
mock the litany in its face

by Axion on Jul 3, 2008 11:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hoffman Debate

I stumbled across this debate at Baseball Fever about Hoffmans HOF chances.
He doesn’t seem to be the sure lock in the eyes of fans outside of SD.
http://www.baseball-fever.com/showthread.php?t=76503

by strummer on Jul 3, 2008 11:29 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think that just means

He’s not necessarily a first ballot guy. But how can you have Bruce Sutter in and no Trevor Hoffman?

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One mistake doesnt justify further mistakes.

I think it was interesting that most people around here think Trevor is a first ballot HOFer.
But most outside of here dont see it that way. I think the outside perspective is interesting.

by strummer on Jul 3, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's why the fans don't vote for HoF

And the All-Star game is a joke.

can you cure us of this fate
mock the litany in its face

by Axion on Jul 3, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

people in new england and new york

refuse to acknowledge that we have a baseball team.

www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com

by justdave on Jul 3, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The ol' east coast bias alibi

Is there any subject where that excuse isnt used ?
Besides, there were lots of Midwesterners in the debate.
Are they part of the conspiracy too ?

by strummer on Jul 3, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well Everyone knows

That East Coast fans aren’t real fans. They just go to games to get drunk and pay lots of money. If they aren’t paying out the nose for their team, then they can support them.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i lived out there for a long time

there are a couple things that prove the bias.

the most glaring is the start times of all sporting events.

but that is beside the point. the point is the arrogance, not the bias.

www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com

by justdave on Jul 3, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Derek Jeter will get more votes for the All-Star Game than anyone

.279/.340/.385 this year. Thank GOD these same people don’t vote for the Hall of Fame.

Derek Jeter. Leading vote getter last time I checked—not at shortstop, leading vote getter in THE ENTIRE MAJOR LEAGUE.

You know who has almost exactly those numbers? JODY EFFING GERUT (.275/.343/.396).

The All-Star game is an infuriating piece of stupid.

by goose1 on Jul 3, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

East coast bias is hardly an alibi. More like "Stone Cold Fact."

How many All-Star votes did Jody Gerut get this year?

by goose1 on Jul 3, 2008 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In Jeter's defense (and I'm hardly a Jeter fan)

He has had a better career than Jody. And that career is probably worth more than the first 3 months of the season (or 2 months because many of those votes cam a while ago).

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Edmonds has had a great career. He shouldn't be an All Star this year.

The point is just that people vote on Jeter’s reputation.

Hoffman should be in the Hall of Fame for a million reasons—-the only reason it’s even a debate is because he plays for San Diego. Rivera won’t have a problem getting in.

by goose1 on Jul 3, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Save percentages are just as good.

Rivera has better numbers in his prime, but has also played for far, far better teams for most of his career. Isolate the statistics for things a pitcher can control-defense independent-and Hoffman really is right up there with the best relievers of his era, Rivera included. And that’s the Hall of Fame criteria.

by goose1 on Jul 3, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to count his playoffs stats for something

I know it’s not fair to Trevor, but in today’s game with more playoff games than ever, those games count for a lot and players that excel in those games deserve to have that added to their HOF resume.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 12:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Playoffs count, of course.

I just don’t think that it should be a knock against Trevor that his teams rarely made it, whereas Rivera was in the post-season every single year for the past 13 years in a row.

No one remembers that Rivera has blown his share of big games too. 2001 World Series, for starters. Or allowing the Red Sox back into the 2004 ALCS, for another.

by goose1 on Jul 3, 2008 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Compared to how many games he saved in the playoffs

Those “big” games are a drop in the bucket.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also has lots of chances.

We all jump on Hoffy for games he’s blown, but he’s had a ridiculously small sample size to work with.

by goose1 on Jul 3, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i feel like for the hall

you have to be the most dominant player in the league for at least a couple years, and have a career to back it up.

hoffman was that in 98 (and surrounding years).

but i agree i don’t see the BBWAA giving a closer any love as of yet. it’ll be tough.

www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com

by justdave on Jul 3, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2006

best year

Padres fan since 2006

by TheRevRun on Jul 3, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hoffman

has surrendered a lot more HRs, Doubles, while playing in a pitchers park. Plus Riveras ERA and ERA+ are significantly better. I place Hoffman second to Rivera, but closer to Lee Smith and Jeff Reardon

by strummer on Jul 3, 2008 12:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Qualcomm was still a pitcher's park

But it’s not like Hoffman has been pitching in PETCO his entire career…

by goose1 on Jul 3, 2008 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quallcom was a neutral park

In Hoffman’s time. It would be a pitcher’s park by today’s standards because of the Minute Maids, CBPs, and GABs of the 21st century.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Compared to Yankee Stadium

and the higher batting numbers in the AL, Hoffman pitched in more pitcher friendly parks in a weaker hitting league

by strummer on Jul 3, 2008 12:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

Now that I look at the numbers for the late 90s we are both wrong. Both parks were pitchers parks with park factors in 0.95 range. They were both in the top 5-10 of pitchers parks, depending on the year.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Yankee Stadium and Qualcomm. Petco wasn’t around until 2004.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duh

I need to read more carefully.

by strummer on Jul 3, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're cherry picking a guy who is not at the top of his game anymore

I could cherry pick Nate McLouth or Rick Ankiel to help mine.

I’m saying that if you want the All Star game to be the best players, then you have to use more than 2-3 months worth of stats to do it. You want to figure out which player is the best at their position. The methods for choosing that may vary, but it shouldn’t be based off of the last 2-3 months or what a guy did 5 years ago.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

The AS game is not about who had the best spring. Its a combination of career, last season, and this season. Plus fan favorites

by strummer on Jul 3, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i just wish it didn't matter

it should be pure exhibition like the NBA

www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com

by justdave on Jul 3, 2008 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They should play for charity

Winner gets more money than the loser to spread between the players’ charities.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 12:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or to make it rain at the club

www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com

by justdave on Jul 3, 2008 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy

are you insecure

by strummer on Jul 3, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

damn im a hard core homer

and i didnt even do that haha.

www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com

by justdave on Jul 3, 2008 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They always say

Half of the problem is being able to admit it

by strummer on Jul 3, 2008 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahah

hello my name is justdave and i’m a padres fan.

hiii jddddd

www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com

by justdave on Jul 3, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WELCOME

We can help you here

by strummer on Jul 3, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

AGon isnt in the top damn 5

of NL 1B.

disgustitude

www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com

by justdave on Jul 3, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But he will make the team

by strummer on Jul 3, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank god its not all up to the fans

and thank the good lord for our ALL STAR MANAGER! (vomits in hands then rubs in eyes)

www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com

by justdave on Jul 3, 2008 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Top 5 is kind of meaningless

Smart fans know that Adrian is not the best 1B in the national league (that’s Berkman or Pujols), but you can’t vote for 2nd or 3rd best. So you get the top players at the top and then a bunch of homer picks and veterans after that.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

never thought of it that way

good point

www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com

by justdave on Jul 3, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, but its the same people voting

So they are liable to make the same “mistake” as you put it.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a real fun trip Dex

If you get a chance send me the photo of the Ozzie statue in a Padres cap. Jon is the man for thinking up that one.

One thing about this post… we all wish it was the 2006 Padres… unfortunately, this is the 2008 Padritos

Padres fan since 2006

by TheRevRun on Jul 3, 2008 11:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Here

can’t see much, so I didn’t include it.

picture

by jbox on Jul 3, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that an open container

right on the street?

Hmm, I guess so.

can you cure us of this fate
mock the litany in its face

by Axion on Jul 3, 2008 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which part says you can have an open container is StL.

I saw one for KC. Just curious since I’ll be visiting StL on July 18-20.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what the state/city law is

but it’s a very common site around the ball park…mainly because all of the surrounding bars are patio type bars, so people are out on the street anyway. If it’s not legal, the cops don’t bother anyone about it. ...that is, unless you’re acting like a drunken fool in the street.

by thenerdhater on Jul 3, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But unlike California

In Missouri you can legally act like a drunken fool, just as long as you don’t have an adult beverage in your possession.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Jul 3, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're just very lax because of who runs the place

I’m just assuming that having a brew at or around Busch stadium is probably not something to put the riot gear on for.

These two parts are what I’m connecting the dots from:

a provision permitting open containers in public in Downtown Kansas City entertainment districts

St. Louis, however, does allow picnickers in public parks to consume alcohol without limitation

This is of course wackypedia and could be entirely made up for all we know. :)

can you cure us of this fate
mock the litany in its face

by Axion on Jul 3, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When Busch owned Sea World and served BEER

I used to throw empties at the killer whales. It was a San Diego tradition.

by strummer on Jul 3, 2008 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haven't been in awhile

Do they still do the two freebies?

can you cure us of this fate
mock the litany in its face

by Axion on Jul 3, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the freebies

were shut down a long time ago.
A couple of guys went swimming with the fishes, and that was the end of it.

by strummer on Jul 3, 2008 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

bad link

Padres fan since 2006

by TheRevRun on Jul 3, 2008 12:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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