How Did That Slap in the Face Feel, Sandy?
by Drama
on Jul 2, 2008 9:25 AM PDT
Sandy Alderson has been CEO of the San Diego Padres for a little over three years now. We pretty much knew what Sandy's philosphy concerning baseball was when he was hired...and it hasn't changed since. Love it or hate it, Sandy had great success with it during his tenure up in Oakland. From an offensive standpoint, his philosphy seems pretty basic and fairly easy to understand. Correct me if I'm wrong...but from what I've read and heard from him, Sandy looks for four simple tasks from his team offensively:
- Take some pitches...make pitchers work.
- Draw walks.
- Avoid bad strikeouts.
- If you're going to make an out, make it a productive out.
So, if we can all agree that's pretty close to what Sandy wants and preaches...let's take a look back at the embarrassment that happened at Coors Field last night.
1. Take some pitches...make pitchers work.
Aaron Cook threw a complete game, shutout...throwing just 79 pitches at Coors Field. No one was taking pitches last night. One batter (Giles in the 1st inning) got to a count with 3 balls...ONE. In a team total of 30 at-bats...batters swung at the first pitch 10 times. Of the 30 at-bats last night...23 of them were 3 pitches or less. Not to single anybody out, but E-Gon saw only eleven pitches total in his 4 at-bats. As Cook pointed out after the game "I know this team,” he said of the Padres. “I’ve seen this team a lot. I know they are going to be aggressive. I know they are looking early.”
2. Draw walks.
We didn't draw a single walk last night. As previously stated, one batter reached a three-ball count. Enough said.
3. Avoid bad strikeouts.
We only had four strikeouts last night, which is actually pretty good for us this season. But two of them (Edgar) were of the three pitch variety. And the other two were 4 pitches and 5 pitches.
4. If you're going to make an out, make it a productive out.
We hit into two double-plays last night (Kouz & Giles)...both inning enders. We had five hits last night (all singles) and after each hit the next batter made an out that failed to advance the runner.
On all four points we failed miserably in every aspect. You can say it's just one game we're looking at here...but it's been like this all season. Especially with the strikeouts. Sandy is the boss and the organization is supposed to be following his lead; his philosphy. But what about last night's game...or even this entire season, reflects Sandy Alderson?
One of two things is happening here...and neither one of them is any good.
1. Bud and the rest of the coaching staff are ignoring what Sandy wants and either using their own philosphy...or allowing the players to do whatever the hell they want when they get to the plate.
OR
2. Bud and his coaching staff are pounding the philosphy into the players and the players are tuning them out and doing whatever the hell they want when they get to the plate. And if this is the case, why aren't there reprecussions? This reminds me of the situation last season with Marcus Giles. The things that got Marcus ripped, benched and eventually let go are the EXACT same things that almost this entire team is doing on a regular basis.
Either way, Buddy, Wally and some others on that coaching staff have to be held accountable. Sandy has a plan. Somewhere along the line that plan is being ignored.
This FanPost was written by a member of the Gaslamp Ball community and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Gaslamp Ball managers or SB Nation.
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Misleading diary title.
I thought you were taking shots at SA and I see that you’re not, which I feel is wise. I think that SA has done a tremendous job and I agree that someone is gumming up the works here.
The interesting thing is that there are players on this team who will never do what SA wants (Khalil) and that there are players who are completely capable and yet have not at many times (Giles, Adrian, Chase). Chase is a particularly glaring example since he hasn’t drawn a walk since he’s been up, despite the fact that OBP is supposed to be a large part of his game.
by Phantom on Jul 2, 2008 10:12 AM PDT 0 recs
Title...
I didn’t mean for it to be misleading. I just thought…watching that game and going over the stats, what a complete slap in the face it was to guy that has Sandy’s beliefs. It was like a personal insult. Everything he is against…everything that drives him nuts…they did it.
FanPost, Phantom. FanPost.
by Drama on
Jul 2, 2008 10:32 AM PDT
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They'll always
be diaries. Especially when you write them.
by Phantom on
Jul 2, 2008 11:06 AM PDT
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Couldn't agree more
Either way, Black is ineffective as a manager. Last night’s game had nothing to do with bad luck or injuries, a couple of the reasons that people have been quick to give Black some latitude for this season. Either he wasn’t doing anything to attempt to correct the issue or they were tuning him out, as you said.
Makes me think I should’ve been aggressive in the pool and chosen tomorrow for Bud’s firing.
by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 2, 2008 10:26 AM PDT 0 recs
Couldn't disagree more
I don’t believe either of the things Drama mentioned are happening. I don’t think the FO tries to change major league players to their philosophy. By the time they get here they either have it or don’t. That’s the way it was in Moneyball. They do preach it in the minors where players are more malleable and when possible they will target free agents that have these skills. But there is give and take. Iguchi is not an OBP and power guy, but he provides enough defense and enough OBP to be considered a relatively safe upgrade over what we had. You could say the same thing about bringing in Cameron a few years ago. While OBP is the most important offensive statistic (whatever your philosophy, moneyball or not), any baseball man (even Sandy) will tell you there are other contributing factors to building a team.
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by Wonko on
Jul 2, 2008 2:51 PM PDT
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well-written
these are excellent points. i’ve been trying to figure out what the hell is going on with this team.
i agree that you absolutely HAVE to hold the managers accountable.
either they are ignoring Sandy completely (fire them for insubordination and general jackassery) or they are incapable of garnering even an ounce of respect from this team (fire them for incompetence, weakness, and general jackassery).
www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com
by justdave on Jul 2, 2008 10:26 AM PDT 0 recs
What you are saying does not add up.
1. Taking pitches when there are only strikes being thrown is going to lead to a lot of backwards Ks.
2. Can we please quit dry-humping the misconception that being a patient hitter means taking a bunch of pitches and getting deep in counts? Obviously when the guy is pounding the strikezone, because he knows you’re letting him have strike one if he puts it there, there are not many other options.
3. This is the exact reason why we were not getting deep into counts. Not too many balls being thrown, only strikes. Not to mention, it’s Cook. He’s throwing sinkers all day every day. Double plays are his bread and butter.
4. I’m not defending the loss. This team sucks buttermilk offensively. But last night was the product of our offensive suck multiplied by the fact that Cook is an 11 game winner this season for the mother-effing Rockies.
Not everything can be laid at Black’s feet. Said it before, say it again – he’s been given a sh*tty hand, and it’s up to the FO to fix it. They’ve acknowledged that. It’s these players who are not entirely in line with the FO philosophy, not the way they are coached or managed. Since the goal has been to try to remain competitive while rebuilding the farm system has fallen on its face, it’s time for the FO to scrap that course of action.
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by Axion on Jul 2, 2008 10:33 AM PDT 0 recs
#3
“He’s throwing sinkers all day.”
Exactly. So after the Rox throw up a four spot and the Pads realize that he’s pitching well, why not say “We’re gonna take pitches for a few abs and see what happens. If he strikes us out looking, then we’ll deal with that.” Chances are a FEW of those sinkers might’ve finished low if our guys hadn’t been waving at them.
ZERO in game adjustments by anyone in the SD dugout. You’re right. Not everything can laid at Black’s feet. But whatever he was doing last night – either screaming at them to change their approach or ignoring what he was seeing – was a reflection of a manager who has lost this team.
by Winfield's Ghost on
Jul 2, 2008 10:44 AM PDT
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blame Barrett
www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com
by justdave on
Jul 2, 2008 10:50 AM PDT
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I think just the opposite
If the players are still thinking optimistically, with quotes like “if we go 8-4…” hitting the paper, the team is behind the manager. The team isn’t saying die, and that’s a reflection of the manager. They may play like they’re dead, but that’s because they’re not a good team.
This was more of the same:
Success against the Padres is nothing new for Cook, who improved to 10-3 against San Diego. Since 2004, Cook is 8-1 with a sparkling 1.52 ERA in 11 starts against the Padres. He didn’t allow more than two runs in any of those starts.
Whatever he was doing, it was wrong? Well that certainly lays bare your line of thinking. Whatever the Padres have been doing the past almost-half-decade against him has been wrong. All of a sudden it’s Bud Black’s fault for not fixing that problem in the middle of the game? Find another scapegoat, this one is stretched into next week.
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by Axion on
Jul 2, 2008 11:03 AM PDT
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This isn't about finding a scapegoat.
This is about the CEO of our organization handing down a philosphy and a blueprint that isn’t being followed. Either way, it falls at Bud’s feet. He’s either ignoring the blueprint…or he isn’t capable of making the players follow it.
“It’s these players who are not entirely in line with the FO philosophy, not the way they are coached or managed.”
You’re way off base on this one. The manager and the coaching staff are the ones who are supposed to be enforcing the strategy given to them by their bosses. As I stated above, they sure as hell did that with Marcus last year.
By your logic, the FO hands down a philosophy, the manager and coaching staff attempt to intstill it into the players, the players fail to do so….but it’s the FO’s fault for picking those players? I’m not saying the FO is totally off the hook on the players that they’ve put on this roster. But to say Bud shouldn’t be responsible for allowing his players to do whatever they hell they feel like doing at the plate is totally off the mark.
by Drama on
Jul 2, 2008 11:22 AM PDT
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Players fail on the field, then
obviously they are the wrong players for the job. I certainly don’t see the players doing whatever the hell they feel like doing. Getting outs and losing are not what they want to do, read anything they have quoted in the paper.
Let’s not forget that Alderson inherited many of these players who do not fit the philosophy. It’s his fault that they are still here.
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by Axion on
Jul 2, 2008 11:27 AM PDT
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What?
“Let’s not forget that Alderson inherited many of these players who do not fit the philosophy. It’s his fault that they are still here.”
Aside from Khalil…there isn’t another player on this roster that fits this statement.
by Drama on
Jul 2, 2008 11:31 AM PDT
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Scott Hairston strikes out more than most full-time players.
Chase Headley doesn’t have any walks.
Michael Barrett sucks.
It goes on.
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by Axion on
Jul 2, 2008 11:47 AM PDT
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No.
You said “inherited”. Those guys came in on his watch.
by Drama on
Jul 2, 2008 12:00 PM PDT
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I stand corrected
but it’s still his fault/Towers’ fault they’re here. They don’t fit the mold, as I see it, and no amount of telling them to be not who they are is going to fix it.
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by Axion on
Jul 2, 2008 12:11 PM PDT
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The problem is
The guys that fit his style also happen to be good players and therefore expensive. They have been trying to find diamonds in the rough and it’s not working out. OBP is life, so every team wants it. Teams aren’t just going to give it away and you have to pay out the nose to get free agents who can do it. The only way to get the type of players Alderson/Towers want without having $100+ million is to develop them, which they are trying to do. So I don’t really see how you can blame them for taking risks on guys they don’t think are ideal players.
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by Wonko on
Jul 2, 2008 2:34 PM PDT
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Hilarious
Citing that Headley doesn’t have any walks as a sign he’s not a patient hitter. The guy is all power and OBP (.399 career). He’s classic “moneyball”.
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by Wonko on
Jul 2, 2008 2:23 PM PDT
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They let the good ones leave
like Bradley. That really was inexcusable. I know their cheap, but surely they could have afforded Bradley. .
by SanDiegoKev on
Jul 2, 2008 9:03 PM PDT
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It wasn't about affording him.
Milton wanted to be in the AL in a hitters ballpark. He had no desire to stay in San Diego.
by Drama on
Jul 2, 2008 9:17 PM PDT
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Why would anyone
rather be in Texas then San Diego??? Well, the dude is kind of nuts.
by SanDiegoKev on
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Texas is so great
Hotter than hell, some humidity, rednecks, shotguns, bugs large enough to drive your car – what’s not to love???
by Winfield's Ghost on
Jul 4, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
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Resentment towards Alaskans
for being from a larger state.
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by Axion on
Jul 5, 2008 1:00 AM PDT
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Down here
we don’t even acknowledge Alaska.
by Winfield's Ghost on
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Yeah, it his fault for not fixing it in the middle of the game.
It’s what he’s paid to do.
Career statistics by a pitcher against one team are a crock. I may be wrong, but I’m assuming we haven’t used the same lineup in all nine of those games in the last four years. Those are such anomalies and we as fans use them as crutches to support weak arguments.
And pay attention to what I wrote – I didn’t say that whatever he was doing, it was wrong. If he wasn’t saying anything, then yeah, that was wrong. But if he was attempting to get them to change their approach and they just didn’t listen, then he’s become ineffectual as a manager. Maybe that’s not his fault, but it is what it is.
by Winfield's Ghost on
Jul 2, 2008 11:23 AM PDT
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Lead horse to water, can't make 'em drink
What else can he do other than a) replace the entire roster, b) go hit for himself?
I read what you wrote closely, and I see that it’s saying “he either acted, or didn’t act, either way, I didn’t see which it was, and I think he’s a failure.”
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by Axion on
Jul 2, 2008 11:29 AM PDT
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Congratulations on failing reading comprehension
by Winfield's Ghost on
Jul 2, 2008 11:33 AM PDT
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Where did you prove anything you said?
You think he’s lost the team. The team clearly thinks otherwise.
You are not aware of what he did in the dugout (“whatever he did”), but it certainly doesn’t stop you from thinking the team is not behind him… again, without a supporting fact.
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by Axion on
Jul 2, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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"The team clearly thinks otherwise."
Because Adrian was talking about going 8-4 before the All-Star break? Seriously?
by Drama on
Jul 2, 2008 12:02 PM PDT
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Look around
We’ve written this team off as sellers. The Mets, Mariners, Astros, Blue Jays… they are not behind their managers. You hear their players in the papers with colorful quotes. We don’t get that here. We get positivity. Insane positivity at this point. I don’t understand it at all, but I just don’t see it as them not standing behind Black. He’s got to be feeding them some kind of zombie chow...
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by Axion on
Jul 2, 2008 12:16 PM PDT
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OK
1. So, you’re saying that every pitcher we’ve faced is only throwing strikes?
2. And I never said you had to see a bunch of pitches…but constantly swinging first ball, or even second, is idiotic and goes against what Sandy wants.
3. If Aaron Cook and every other pitcher we’re facing can throw all their sinkers for strikes I’m really impressed.
by Drama on
Jul 2, 2008 11:13 AM PDT
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You have completely obliterated that straw-man argument.
1. This is within the context of last night’s game. Nowhere did I say that all pitchers are only throwing strikes.
2. If the first pitch is your pitch to hit, you swing. Patiently aggressive. It’s not a new discussion.
3. Again, context. Aaron Cook is one pitcher, not all pitchers.
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by Axion on
Jul 2, 2008 11:24 AM PDT
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Wow.
Still quite a bit shaken up over that news that overand actually has a penis, eh?
by Drama on
Jul 2, 2008 11:33 AM PDT
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Yup
So shaken.
Nice to see you can back up your argument with attempted insults, too. Good form.
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by Axion on
Jul 2, 2008 11:42 AM PDT
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Sorry. Wasn't meant to be an insult.
I was actually just making a joke. Thought it was funny.
by Drama on
Jul 2, 2008 12:03 PM PDT
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It was funny...
..as our all our varied ways of coping with the padres’ sucktasticness.
by pjbno4 on
Jul 2, 2008 12:14 PM PDT
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Still not a GLB vet.
FIRE BUD BLACK! RETIRE HOFFMAN, GILES, AND MADDUX! TRADE HEADLEY, KOUZMANOFF, AND GREENE!
by sdsuaztec4 on
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EASY.
We’ve all been there. It’s not a fun situation for anyone involved.
by Dalton on
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I'll be fine
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by Wonko on
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also
the fact that our guys rarely hit the ball well makes it easier for pitchers to pound the strike zone against us… its much easier to pitch to a team that struggles to hurt you, even if you let them.
www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com
by justdave on
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I probably should have posted this first
Most of this team is a slap in the face to Sandy Alderson night in and night out, I just don’t think last night’s game was a great example of how.
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by Axion on Jul 2, 2008 12:22 PM PDT 0 recs
So, you don't agree with the four things I posted as the basics of Sandy's philosophy?
by Drama on
Jul 2, 2008 12:27 PM PDT
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I already posted where I don't agree.
Last night is just not a good example to draw from. Draw from every other game but this one, because this is one where I have to tip my cap to Cook for raping us. He’s on the Rockies, and he has 11 wins. He’s doing something right. Remember who our wins leader is?
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by Axion on
Jul 2, 2008 12:41 PM PDT
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I'm confused.
So you don’t agree with Sandy’s philosophy? Or with my intrepretation of it?
by Drama on
Jul 2, 2008 12:45 PM PDT
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I agree with both of those
But I don’t think there is much this team is capable of doing against Cook, especially how he was last night, adjustments or none.
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by Axion on
Jul 2, 2008 12:49 PM PDT
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i agree that last nights game was not the sole reason
but i feel like it was sort of the icing on the cake for Joe Fan.
Last night seemed to be indicative of the overarching trend of suckiness being displayed by the Padres, and i think the frustration level is reaching a high.
The fact is that someone must be held accountable. And i don’t really care who.
www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com
by justdave on
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I think Black's a puppet
and short of ripping out the entire infrastructure of the FO, firing him is only going to bring in another yes-man.
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by Axion on
Jul 2, 2008 12:43 PM PDT
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How is he a puppet?
Sandy has a philosophy and Bud is not enforcing it. So, he’s either going against what he’s being told to do (which is why Bochy is in SF right now)...or the players don’t respect him enough to do what he’s telling them.
by Drama on
Jul 2, 2008 12:48 PM PDT
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and in either case he should be sleeping with the fishes
www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com
by justdave on
Jul 2, 2008 12:48 PM PDT
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If Sandy thought that Bud was not enforcing it
then he would probably be fired. He’s a puppet because of his bullpen management. Tie game in the ninth, who does he bring in? Why? Because he’s been told to.
Bud Black can scream, “Hit. Win games. Don’t suck.” all he wants, that’s not managing. They are not performing, that’s it. You can’t say they because they fail, they do not respect him, that’s too much of a logic leap.
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by Axion on
Jul 2, 2008 12:54 PM PDT
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potentially, but i think Buddy should pay with his job
a new mgr can’t do any worse… can they? (yes thats a challenge)
www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com
by justdave on
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Bruce Bochy?
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. " ~Frank Sinatra
by Sammy G on
Jul 2, 2008 1:49 PM PDT
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at least he had an abnormally sized head
and therefore easier to hit with projectiles.
thats a plus right? he’s the polar opposite of juan pierre
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by justdave on
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bud is fine
he just needs to get fired up. This team is not just boaring but board. Night after night the twenty five man yawn goes out there tries to win but seems disinterested. Buddy needs to argue about a marginal call kick some dirt on the plate and get thrown out… basically get his teams attention.
by 1998 on Jul 2, 2008 8:25 PM PDT 0 recs
LOOK AT
what are outfield could be, Nady, Branyon, and oh yeah thanks BUD, Bradley. Seems last year we were pretty lame until Milton got in the line-up and we took off as soon as he got hurt…thx again BUD…we slid. See what a good bat in a mediocore line up can do and help the good hitters, You have the money, remember luxury tax? That money that just comes your way. Bud took a playoff team and ruined it. No fundamentals…no idea of how to run the bases. and how many steals against us is it now? Funny San Fran was supposed to be awful. Bochy seems to have done a very good job. Lietner just go off please you girl! Worst team in baesball “YOUR SAN DIEGO PADRES”.!
by jabjab44 on Jul 2, 2008 10:18 PM PDT 0 recs
That's dumb
Without Cameron we don’t win the West in 06. Period. So you’d trade that division championships to have Nady now. That’s crazy. Flags Fly Forever.
Branyan never was not a good fit for us. Don’t get him confused with a MLB starter just because he can hit homers at Miller Park. Not to mention he can’t hit lefties.
Bradley is a jerk. He’s like the boyfriend that keeps beating you and everyone in SD is the girlfriend that keeps saying “But he loves me!”. I just don’t get it. He didn’t want to be here, Bud Black or no. The guy is in it for himself, let him go. You’ll have less bruises for it.
As for the money, they are spending every dime they can on payroll and player development. They increased it by over $30 mill as a result of moving into Petco . Unless we all want to shell out more money for tickets or concessions, you’ll have to live with the payroll as it is (or at least until they stop paying off the stadium and/or they get out from under the crappy deal they have with Channel 4).
The sooner everyone gets over the plights of the current crappy team, thinks fondly of the pennants flying behind the bullpen and just prepares to embrace the kids as they slowly come up; the happier you’ll all be.
I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.
by Wonko on
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Quick Question
Nobody seems to bring this up and it’s something that occurred to me the other day.
What are the examples of the Moneyball philosophy working? Oakland, Boston…..that’s it, right? Okay, now tell me that there’s not enough of a different in the leagues to think that maybe the Moneyball philosophy works in AL and not in the NL? you can’t.
Since Billy Beane started pounding out winners one thing has remained very consistent. They always have at least one guy in the middle of the lineup whose job it is to hit homeruns. Whether that’s Giambi, Tejada, Big Hurt, Piazza or Chavez (when healthy). With Oakland winning again you can see the same formula being used. Lots of guys who get on base, one big-bat (Cust) to either hit them in or scare them enough to throw good pitches to the hitters in front of him.
This equation works better in the AL because their 7-8-9 hitters are much stronger than the 7-8-9 hitters of a typical NL lineup. The philosophy in Oakland worked to create station-to-station play until the 3 run homerun is hit. I’m not sure if that’s what it’s meant to create, but that seems to be the way things have played out for them. Here the philosophy has worked to create station-to-station play until the 7-8-9 hitters kill the rally. This is why it seems like we leave more runners on base than anybody else.
To me it definitely appears to me that the players have given up on the season and are trying to boost their stats to get a nice contract somewhere else next year. But before that we had the right team and the right players and it seemed to me that it just cannot work in the NL without a Mike Hampton or Micah Owings in the 9 spot. Even then you’d have to collect a good hitting catcher and Khalil would need to be replaced.
by obviousman on Jul 3, 2008 5:48 AM PDT 0 recs
red sox
I also meant to point out that the Red Sox use the same philosophy. They actually have at least two guys in the middle of the lineup that are power threats and will take a walk (because there’s still some power after them). You take Manny and Ortiz out of that lineup and the rest of that team wouldn’t perform much better than the Padres.
by obviousman on
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Every team nowadays
Uses their own version of the moneyball philosophy.
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by Wonko on
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Let me elaborate
Parts of the moneyball philosophies that everyone uses:
1. College players are less risky than high school players and a good way to fill out a MLB roster faster. (Draft chapter)
2. Use some statistical analysis to backup what your scouts are saying or get scouts attention by using statistics to find overlooked players. (Chad Bradford chapter)
3. Teach defense to players you know can hit in order to save money. (Scott Hatteberg chapter)
4. Accumulate draft picks by letting your free agents walk (Draft chapter)
5. Develop you own players to avoid free agency big $ blunders (Draft chapter)
Moneyball is not some cult or different style of baseball. It’s a book. The book outlined how the A’s at the beginning of the decade were doing business to exploit inefficiencies in the market. Those inefficiencies, partially due to the book, are no longer there as evidenced by the A’s current roster construction (Emil Brown? Rajai Davis?).
One way to think of Moneyball in baseball is like the West Coast offense in football. Not every team runs it, but every team has some Bill Walsh-style plays in their playbook because they work.
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by Wonko on
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