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Winfield insults Padres by displaying Yankees cap during his introduction

 

When Dave Winfield was introduced to the fans in Yankee Stadium in the pre-game ceremony of the All-Star game he tipped his Padres cap and pulled out a Yankees cap.

Dave Winfield symbolizes everything that is wrong with a large portion of Padres fans.  They have pride in the Padres until their real favorite team comes to town.  It happens every year during the Cubs series and also during Interleague when the Red Sox and Yankees visit.  San Diego transplants turn their back on the Padres and dress themselves in Cubs gear.  "Oh I'm a Padres fan... except when my Cubbies are in town!"

Those fans have a new leader.  Dave Winfield.  I'm willing to guess the biggest regret of his life was choosing to be inducted into the Hall of Fame as a Padre instead of a Yankee.  There seemed to be reasons for Winfield to enter as a Padre back then: he had a lasting feud with Steinbrenner, John Moores gave him money and a job, he would have been overshadowed by greater Yankees  and he would become the Padres first Hall of Famer. 

I have no doubt that he now regrets that decision.  Being a Yankee Hall of Famer is so much more prestigious and nobody takes notice of him nationally as a Padre.  He was a big fish in a small pond until Tony Gwynn entered the Hall.  Now he's playing second or third fiddle.

Winfield chose to represent the Padres and he has failed. Every time he's been on national television he is introduced as a Yankee.  He has appeared on "Pros vs. Joes", "The Moment of Truth" and now the All-Star game and each time he has been introduced as a Yankee with little or no mention of the Padres.

Say what you want about the Padres retiring Steve Garvey's number, but at least we know where Garvey stands.  He has made no secret that he is a Dodger.  He doesn't pretend to have allegiance fo the Padres.

I'd rather Tony Gwynn be our only Hall of Fame player, if Winfield is going to continually choose the Yankees when it benefits him.  I'm sure it thrilled Yankees fans when you donned their cap, but did he think how it might feel to be a Padres fan when one of our two Hall of Famers would rather wear another teams cap?

It's hard to take pride in Winfield as a Padre because he doesn't seem to take pride in the Padres.  If you want to be recognized as a Yankee I understand, you played many outstanding years for them, but I'd rather not see you choosing the Padres to fall back on. 

I remember when Jerry Coleman was inducted into the Hall of Fame.  Gwynn took a shot at Winfield by calling Coleman the first real Padres Hall of Famer.

"I always told him he should be the first real Padre to go in. . . . As my career was coming to an end, he used to tell me I had a Hall of Fame career. I said, 'You should be a Hall of Famer before me.' "

I agree with Gwynn, but I could accept Winfield if he'd just accept the Padres.

 

Star-divide

[Note by jbox, 07/16/08 2:06 PM PDT ]

This article explains why  Dave Winfield chose the Padres cap over the Yankees, but it also gives us a little bit more of a clue about the way Winfield thinks about himself and his allegiance to teams.  He's kind of like one of these people that prefers to think of himself as a citizen of the planet, rather than affiliated with a country.

Winfield Chooses Padres over Yanks

''I didn't anticipate there'd be this much discussion or thought about the hat,'' he said. ''It caused me to be very introspective. It caused me to reach out and talk to a lot of people. The essence of this is I feel that I belong to all of baseball, more than just one city or one team.

Why, then, a Padres cap?

''When I look at everything,'' said Winfield, whose plaque will be the first to have a Padres cap, ''it's kind of like, who gave me the first opportunity, where do I come from, where did I emerge? All this started a long time ago. They saw me, drafted me first, gave me a chance to play in the big leagues right away. I was an All-Star there; I was their first captain.''

Interesting that his number was never retired by the Yankees.

He won't be the 17th member of the Hall of Fame to wear a Yankees cap, but he is expected to become the 17th member of the Yankees to have his number retired.

Winfield said he hoped that his friends and his fans in New York would understand his decision.

''It was a tug of war on me for a long time,'' he said. ''I identify with the city. I lived there longer than any place and did more things in the community there. It's a real personal decision.''

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Jerry Coleman

played his entire career for the New York Yankees.

Baseball was, is and always will be to me the best game in the world. -Babe Ruth

by sdsuaztec4 on Jul 15, 2008 10:05 PM PDT   0 recs

He is a Hall of Fame broadcaster

and did so much longer as a Padre.

by jbox on Jul 15, 2008 10:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In his defense...

He tipped his Padre cap…showed the Yankee cap to recognize his great years with the Yankees and in Yankee Stadium…and then put his Padre cap back on his head.

But I will agree with you on some of your points…the way he went into the Hall was shady. And the way he always seems to be portrayed as a former Yankee great is grating.

by Drama on Jul 15, 2008 10:12 PM PDT   0 recs

that's what I'm sayin

Baseball was, is and always will be to me the best game in the world. -Babe Ruth

by sdsuaztec4 on Jul 15, 2008 10:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I implied it

Baseball was, is and always will be to me the best game in the world. -Babe Ruth

by sdsuaztec4 on Jul 15, 2008 10:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's true

I just wonder if the situation was reversed and the all star game was in San Diego during the last season at… say Qualcomm and he was a Yankee Hall of Famer. Would he have done the same thing?

by jbox on Jul 15, 2008 10:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Honestly,

I think he would. We’ve got his number retired here, he knows that, and I wouldn’t have been surprised if he showed off a Padres cap in that situation. Goose might do something similar as well.

"If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself." - Bob Dylan

by JollyWaffle on Jul 15, 2008 10:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

retired number

but didn’t we say we’d retire his number and give him a sweet job if he’d go in as a padre? winfield’s last season as a padre occurred seven years before i was born, but i was like 13 when we retired his number? what’s that about?

by FriarBryan on Jul 15, 2008 11:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

good post

interesting topics, I guess Winnie was just playing up to the home crowd. so was he rooting for the AL in this game? despite being a vp of the Padres?

Padres fan since 2006

by TheRevRun on Jul 15, 2008 10:43 PM PDT   0 recs

i didn't like it

but it is smart publicity on his part being in new york

You know I could go for a sandwich, but uh, I'm not gonna open two jars. I can't be opening and closing all kinds of jars.

by C8LIN B on Jul 15, 2008 11:08 PM PDT   0 recs

it was pretty damnhurtful

every person i was watching game with thought it was lame too..just so disrespectful. tony is the only padre that should be retired…

Pop-Gun Padres '08

by soulSD on Jul 16, 2008 12:28 AM PDT   0 recs

Worst Post Ever on GLB

I love how you don’t mention what a racist pig Ray Kroc was to him and basically forced him to leave SD. Or that he currently works for the Padres. Or that he still lives in San Diego.

His portrayal as a Yankee great is cultivated by the media because they only recognize about three teams in MLB and most working journalists today probably weren’t even alive when he played in SD. It’s not like he goes into the booth before games and says “Uh, hey, fellas. If you don’t mind, could you just refer to me as a Yankee? Thanks.”

I’ve got no problem with the Yankee cap last night. It was a salute to fans that treated him pretty well during his time there. As Drama pointed out and sdsuaztec4 didn’t even come close to implying, he finished with the SD cap on his head.

This post symbolizes everything that is wrong with a large portion of Padres fans. Half truths and a bunch of nonsense.

(Tips Padre hat, waves a NY hat in jbox’s face, then puts Padre hat back on.)

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 16, 2008 7:02 AM PDT   0 recs

I knew it

It was your turn to post and all you had to choose from was either this or Ozzie Smith Disrespected Padre Fans By Going Into Hall of Fame As A Cardinal, right?

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 16, 2008 9:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

The fact that so many GLB’ers are flipped out over this is a little disturbing. Heck, the guy spent more time with the Yankees than he did with San Diego. The Yankees were a huge part of his career and he was in their house last night. People are running around here like Winfield tried to slight them personally. Worst Post Ever? For sure.

by sacpadre on Jul 16, 2008 9:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I can only speak for myself... and all of you

but I’m not flipping out, I just get disappointed every time I see Winfield on national television. He’s a Padres Hall of Famer and a Padres Vice President and doesn’t seem to show much love for the Pads. Then again if he touted himself as a Padre he probably would never be put on national television.

by jbox on Jul 16, 2008 9:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

For me

I guess I just see bigger issues plaguing the Padres than Winfield playing musical hats. When I see people talking Winfield insulting or disrespecting the organization, it just seems laughable to me. Personally, I’m more “insulted” by the product on the field right now.

by sacpadre on Jul 16, 2008 9:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think this is

the worst thing a Padres fan can say. Saying that you’re “insulted by the product on the field”, hyperbole that it may be, is the most selfish and flippant thing a sports fan can ever say. As I stated when we had the conversation about booing Trevor, it’s completely classless to take personal offense to the team’s performance. It’s not like the 25 guys on the field are mailing it in and aren’t trying. I would be willing to bet that as frustrated as we are as fans, the players and the FO management are even more frustrated.

Sure, we have a right to be frustrated by the season, maybe even pissed off about it. But insulted? Did Jake Peavy sleep with your wife or something? Did Adrian Gonzalez stare you down and call you an idiot for coming to the games?

I realize that this may seem like I’m jumping all over you for what was probably an attempt at humor, but this isn’t specifically directed at you and is more a comment on fans in general. The whole “I’m insulted by their play” thing is the kind of useless rhetoric you see on the UT blogs from people who would bitch about the Padres if our lineup consisted of the best of the Red Sox and the Yankees. I dunno, does anyone else feel this way?

by Phantom on Jul 16, 2008 10:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow

I’m the last guy who is going to poop on the players. I’ve said it in threads before, that I’m from the school where I believe booing players is totally classless. I realize how my comments could be taken the way you suggest, but that wasn’t my intent at all. What I was trying to convey (apparently weakly), was that I thought it was silly for people to get worked up and start throwing around words like “insulted” or “disrespect” over a Padre showing his Yankees cap. I guess I see it the same way as people booing Trevor. Who did Winfield go into the HOF with? What team does he work for everyday? The last time I checked, that would be the Padres. So if he gives the occasional nod to the other team that was a huge part of his career then I don’t see what the fuzz is about.

The “insulted about the product on the field” comment was strictly my way of saying that if fans are going to be upset about something, it should be from looking at the standings in the NL West. I never said I was insulted by the team’s play or work ethic. I think the guys on the field are, for the most part, giving their all. But when the guys on the field are, in cases, Justin Huber, P-Mac, or Colt Morton, heart doesn’t get the job done. In the off season, I remember reading GLB posts with fans wondering what was going to be done about guys like Cameron, Bradley, etc leaving the team. Our big move was Edmonds and that was a bust. I see a team that did not evolve off season when so many others did. If anything, my frustration lies more with the FO than the players.

And no, Peavy did not sleep with my girlfriend. She is an A’s fan. Sleeping with Peavy would be seen by me as a ray of hope.

by sacpadre on Jul 16, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I said it in the damn OT

so there

Baseball was, is and always will be to me the best game in the world. -Babe Ruth

by sdsuaztec4 on Jul 17, 2008 12:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I will respond

when I am done blogging at the Cub and Red Sox sites. I never forget my Padres.
They are my favorite team west of the Grand Canyon and south of Vegas.

by strummer on Jul 16, 2008 7:10 AM PDT   0 recs

My problem with Winfield

is that he routinely and repeatedly disrespects the Padres in this way. HE WAS THE FIRST PADRE IN THE HALL. Doesn’t that mean something? Doesn’t that imply some sort of special significance?

Look, I don’t know what the situation was when Winfield left the Padres in the ‘70s. I wasn’t even a twinkle in my daddy’s eye at that point. But I do know what things have been since about 1990, when I was old enough to be cognizant of the Padres. And since that time, the TRUEST Padre has always been Tony Gwynn. Even after he’s retired, Tony is stil all over San Diego. Winfield was basically a non-entity until a year before it became time for his induction into the Hall. And then it was like wall-to-wall Winfield, which felt really disingenious to a lot of us. Tony is, and will always be Mr. Padre. Perhaps we’re spoiled by having a player who was that loyal to the team and the community.

But I thought what Winfield did last night was a total slap in the face to Padres fans. He was the first Padre in the hall. That’s a special disctinction to Padres fans. Right or wrong, it’s a special place to occupy. If he didn’t want the responsibility that came along with that position, he shouldn’t have angled for it. But he did angle for it, and he got it. It would be nice if he showed the fans he appreciated it.

by Phantom on Jul 16, 2008 8:18 AM PDT   0 recs

What is so special about it ?

He was paid by the Padres to go into the HOF as a Padre.
There is nothing sacred about a back room bribe.
The Padres payoff led MLB to change the rules about a player choosing his HOF team.
I am sorry but I dont see the sanctity in a shady money deal
It was an embarrassment for the Padres

by strummer on Jul 16, 2008 8:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So wait

So he’s not Mr. Padre and he’s not the truest Padre, but he should still act like it? That doesn’t make sense to me.

Winfield was a non-entity because the prior ownership groups had zero interest in bringing him back to the organization and the community until Moores arrived. Joan Kroc, who was just as bad as her husband, refused to even acknowledge the guy and the Tom Werner cartel followed suit.

The “wall to wall Winfield” thing was again a product of the media – the San Diego media. The city was thrilled to finally have a Padre going in and most recognized that his play in the late 70s – combined with his ENORMOUS presence in the community during that time – he was one of the first athletes in ANY sport to start a foundation to help underprivileged children – helped put the Padres on the map.

I understand that most of the people around here weren’t around during his hey day in San Diego, but dismissing it simply because you didn’t see it or take the time to learn about it is doing yourself a disservice as a fan of the organization.

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 16, 2008 8:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I just think

it was a really disrespectful thing to do to the team. You can disagree about it. I understand that the Padres weren’t the only team he ever played for. But he’s our first Hall of Famer. That’s a special thing. There are an entire generation of Padres fans who felt like Winfield snubbed Tony by going in first. And, as jbox points out, it’s not like he always attempts to associate himself with them when he’s on the national stage.

We’re disrespected enough as a franchise. We don’t need our Hall of Famer helping to further that problem.

by Phantom on Jul 16, 2008 9:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What?

How did Winfield snub Tony? He should’ve not gone in as a Padre just so Gwynn could go in first?

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 16, 2008 9:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

snub

There was a little bit of the feeling that winfield was like, “oh nobody’s in the hall as a Padre yet?”

“No. The best bet would be Tony Gwynn, but that’s a ways off.”

“Well, buy me a Cadillac and I’ll be your huckleberry”

by Dex on Jul 16, 2008 9:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

Furthermore, it’s arguable that Winfield’s better days came as a Yankee.

by Phantom on Jul 16, 2008 9:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I love how no one

thinks it’s great that he snubbed the Yankees. Yankee fans were beside themselves that he wasn’t going in as a Yankee. They just assumed he would because everyone is apparently supposed to go in as a Yankee.

I understand that “little bit of feeling” but I think that’s been a bit overblown. Probably because most Padre fans didn’t understand that there’s a 5 yr waiting period to be voted in and were already confused that Gwynn didn’t go in the day after he retired.

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 16, 2008 9:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Phantom

I just read that last line I wrote about being “confused” and that was NOT aimed at you. Realized it may sound like that after I posted it. Was aimed at the UT commenters and their ilk:)

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 16, 2008 9:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a good point

about snubbing Yankees fans. There was a certain Yankees fan around these parts that thought it was a done deal that he would go in as a Yankee. I knew he would choose the Padres, but I wonder if he’d make the same decision now. The only reason I think he’d still choose the Padres is because the Yankees wouldn’t give him a front office job.

by jbox on Jul 16, 2008 9:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow.

What a despicable attack on Phantom. Just a good guy giving his opinion.

I remember when you used to take the high road…apparently those days are long gone.

by Drama on Jul 16, 2008 9:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Lucky for all of us that

Phantom is approximately 12 times smarter than you are.

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 16, 2008 9:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Again, another insult directed at Phantom.

Leave the guy alone. (When he gets out of the bathroom, he’s really gonna be pissed.)

by Drama on Jul 16, 2008 9:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry Phantom

You are 112 times smarter than Drama.

I just can’t get it right today.

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 16, 2008 9:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

I actually didn’t even have a chance to get offended since I saw the comment already was explained about a million times. Reminds me of the McCain campaign.

by Phantom on Jul 16, 2008 9:36 AM PDT to parent up   1 recs

I'm that Yankees fan

and I understood why Winfield did what he did last night…but my very first reaction was, “man, SD fans are NOT gonna like this”.

And while I was surprised that Winfield didn’t go in as a Yankee..I can understand why not…go in as a Padre and stand out more..or blend in with the million other Yankees in the hall. But if that was the case, then I agree with Jbox..he should promote the heck out of the team he’s aligned with.

by thenerdhater on Jul 16, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

you crazy yankee fans

there aren’t a “million other Yankees in the hall”. Get your facts straight!

by Dex on Jul 16, 2008 10:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

(recommend)

Baseball was, is and always will be to me the best game in the world. -Babe Ruth

by sdsuaztec4 on Jul 17, 2008 12:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't mind him showing the Yankees hat

But I’m pretty sure I saw him after the introductions wearing the Yankees hat around. That angered me.

I don’t know why it’s different, but it is. Maybe because instead of supplementing his allegiance he outright replaced it.

by Melvin Nieves on Jul 16, 2008 8:30 AM PDT   0 recs

One more thing...

It’s not like he threw out the first pitch alongside Reggie, Yogi, Whitey and Goose.

by Drama on Jul 16, 2008 8:40 AM PDT   0 recs

if I were Dave Winfield

I would’ve actually worn a slightly larger Padres hat over a Yankees cap that was sitting underneath, so that when I “tipped” my cap, the Yankee hat would be revealed then. Then, I would’ve covered my mouth in a “oops” sort of way and shrugged my shoulders really cocky like I wanted to get caught so I didn’t mind that I got caught.

Then, I would’ve fanned my crotch with the Padres cap with one hand while truly tipping the Yankees cap to the fans with the other.

THEN, I would’ve held the Yankees cap up and looked right into the nearest television camera and mouthed, “En-doubleyew-oh. For life” while gesturing a number 4 and the letter L with my free hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zwr1dTrLbY0

That would’ve been the shizz.

by Dex on Jul 16, 2008 8:46 AM PDT   0 recs

Lighten up, Lesters

I knew things were bad, but has it really come to this?

by Billy Almon on Jul 16, 2008 8:48 AM PDT   0 recs

I KNEW IT

BILLY ALMON’S WITH THE YANKEES TOO! GET HIM!

by Dex on Jul 16, 2008 8:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't have a strong feeling on Winfield

Either way Tony Gwynn is Mr. Padre to me but that is certainly a product of age as much as anything.

Thought it was 100 times more disrepectful what Wade Boggs did. He was announced as a Red Sox hall of famer yet he wore a Yankee cap…no Red Sox cap in sight.

by GeoffwithG on Jul 16, 2008 9:15 AM PDT   0 recs

It has come to my attention

that my title was misleading and I didn’t mean for it to be. So I changed it. He didn’t put the Yankees cap on during his introduction.

Though he probably did once the camera was off of him.

by jbox on Jul 16, 2008 10:58 AM PDT   0 recs

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