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Gaslamp Ball Debate Club: Is it appropriate to boo Trevor Hoffman?

[Note by Dex, 06/25/08 10:42 AM EDT ] Changed the poll and title to make it Trevor specific.

Trevor Hoffman gives up a run and the boobirds made their appearance. Was it appropriate for fans to boo?

Why I think yes:

  • We are confident that Trevor Hoffman is not quite as good of a pitcher in non-save situations yet Bud Black continues to put Trevor out there and make really questionable bullpen decisions so part of the booing is directed at Bud.
  • We pay good money to watch the game and, in simplest terms, be entertained. If we, as fans, are not entertained, then we have the right to voice our displeasure.
  • If a fan suspects a player of dogging it or genuinely dislikes a player as a person, then booing is a very direct way of letting the player know. I really hope this wasn't a reason that boobirds used last night.

Why I think no:

  • Some players truly deserve a greater level of respect.
  • To paraphrase Bill Simmons, if you're a die-hard fan, then the players on your team are like family and you'd never boo a family member.
  • If you're really displeased with Bud Black, then the appropriate time to boo him is when his name gets mentioned or it's obvious that he's the one getting booed at.

Just a few points either way. Personally, I think I would've gone ahead and booed, but I probably would be booing a few of the other guys too. And then I'd yell stuff like, "I DEMAND THAT YOU DEMAND TO BE TRADED!" And then opposing fans would've told me to stay classy and that's when I'd start to throw peanuts.


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Should Trevor Hoffman be booed when he doesn't play well?
Yes. Petco Park smells like old man poop after one of his bad outings.
65 votes
No. Trevor Hoffman may poop the mound, but we should ignore the old man poop smell.
83 votes

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Booing Trevor is bullshit.

Trevor isn’t the reason this team is dead last in a garbage division. Trevor isn’t the reason this team is 14 games under .500. It wasn’t Trevor that managed just four hits and SEVEN strikeouts against a guy named Kevin Slowey last night. Trevor didn’t sign Jim Edmonds. Trevor didn’t opt to keep Justin Huber and P-Keg on the roster coming out of spring training while sending Chase, Gey and E-Gon to Portland. Trevor didn’t hit CY in the face with a line drive. Trevor didn’t crush Bard’s ankle.

Trevor has done more for the San Diego Padres, the fans and this city than can possibly be measured. To boo a guy like that is classless and just plain horseshit.

"We are observers - - of our own team."

by Drama on Jun 25, 2008 7:43 AM PDT   2 recs

Agreed

But I don’t think that they were just booing Trevor. The pathetic performance against Slowey was probably enough to get people riled up and it was frustrating to see the team blow it after battling back. I personally don’t think it’s ever OK to boo the home team unless they’re not hustling/doing something stupid or if they’re acting in a way that doesn’t reflect well on the city. Booing a player for not performing is ridiculous. In a sport that lauds people who are successful for just 30% of their at-bats, booing performance seems kind of hypocritical.

All that said, isn’t it staggering how awful and inconsistent our bullpen has been this year? One could make a reasonable argument that we would be contending for first right about now if our bullpen was more like last year’s version. Which begs the question: Was the fluke last year or this year? Did Doug Brocail really make THAT much of a difference?

by Phantom on Jun 25, 2008 7:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't think they were ALL just booing Trevor, either.

And yes, Phantom. Doug Brocail is awesome.

"We are observers - - of our own team."

by Drama on Jun 25, 2008 7:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree on most of the above

But although I wasn’t there, I’m sure it was directed at Trevor.

I’m not against booing the home team in the right circumstances. But singling out Trevor is pretty misguided.

Oh, and Brocail’s having a pretty good year. Not that I would have advocated paying him vs. a draft pick…I’m just sayin’.

by Dalton on Jun 25, 2008 8:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Brocail draft pick

That draft pick is undergoing season ending surgery after sliding headfirst into first base.

Michael Barrett for Retirement in '08. Bring back Piazza!

by Wonko on Jun 25, 2008 10:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To save face

Trevor should give back some of that $10M he’s getting this year to lose games. ala Ted Williams.

by Jonny Dub on Jun 25, 2008 8:21 AM PDT   0 recs

Booing in general

Is pretty classless to me. I’ve never really thought it had a place in the sport. You’d have to do something fairly egregious for me to justify it. I was at a game about a month ago and the 1st base coach got a foul ball and started walking toward the crowd to give it to a kid. Then he stops at the last second and throws it to the dugout and starts laughing. It was a pretty classless move and so appropriately, the crowd booed him. I could not see myself booing my team. I just can’t bring myself to do it.

by sacpadre on Jun 25, 2008 8:26 AM PDT   0 recs

I'd never boo the home team

I don’t really get too up or down after wins and losses. I guess I’m like Steve Garvey in that way and others.

by jbox on Jun 25, 2008 8:46 AM PDT   0 recs

"others"

"We are observers - - of our own team."

by Drama on Jun 25, 2008 8:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Did your ex wife

write a tell all book?

by strummer on Jun 25, 2008 8:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

They werent Booing!

They were saluting our team owner John Moores.
Moooooooores. Mooooooooooooooores

by strummer on Jun 25, 2008 9:01 AM PDT   0 recs

Well played, sir!

With a name like Smuckers, it has to be good!

by friarinchicago on Jun 25, 2008 9:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was saying Booo-urns

Michael Barrett for Retirement in '08. Bring back Piazza!

by Wonko on Jun 25, 2008 10:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

At what point in the game

am I supposed to boo for bargain-bin-shopping-rule-5-relying-long-past-prime-signing-underspending-poor-drafting-call-up-delaying management?

Is that the middle of the fourth?

by theodore donald kerabatsos on Jun 25, 2008 11:06 AM PDT   0 recs

Ah

That would be anytime you want.

From home.

With the realization that you haven’t just paid money to see a product you knew you didn’t like.

Michael Barrett for Retirement in '08. Bring back Piazza!

by Wonko on Jun 25, 2008 11:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Booing the home team is stupid

unless in special cases if they kicked a kid, or someone laid down a bunt and no one moved for it things like that.
Booing is part of the game, but it meant to be used for umpires and the visiting team doing something you hate. It is not meant to do to your future hall of fame all times save leader closer. its not even something you do to your team.
it isn’t going to make them play better.

granted it could have been like 4 or 5 people that started it purposfully…. and other people just tend to follow because someone is booing and they don’t even know what they are booing for. We arent Dodger, Cubs of Philly fans. We are Padre fans and we support our effing team… i’m not saying cheer when they give up homeruns but don’t boo them

Trust me, death is the best argument for moisturizer.

by C8LIN B on Jun 25, 2008 11:18 AM PDT   0 recs

Instead of booing

Should we just direct our attention to the Wave instead ?
Tune out.?
How does that make us better fans ?
No wonder we are a joke fanbase

by strummer on Jun 25, 2008 12:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

She didn't say never boo

Boo gas prices. They’re the effin’ problem.

I’ll never boo Trevor because he’s always been a class act. Always says and does the right thing and has been a great credit to this organization and city. Sorry, but that earns you boo immunity from me.

He’s the closer, we put him out there to close games. He got called on to get the outs and he does whatever he can to get those outs every time. As long as he’s the closer, he’s going in in those spots.

can you cure us of this fate
mock the litany in its face

by Axion on Jun 25, 2008 12:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i hate the wave it is stupid

people that tune out are wasting there money.

but booing your own team, for no real reason other than losing, doesn’t show any kind of real passion.

and who cares what people seem to think about our fanbase, as a padre fan i know i support my team and real padre fans know that too… i can care less what anyone has to say about the fan base because i know its good.

i’ve been to pleanty of games that suck and we’ve been down 5plus runs or more but people are still cheering still believing their team can do it

if we have to boo our team and our players to be a serious fanbase then i guess i’m a joke. AND PROUD OF IT!

Trust me, death is the best argument for moisturizer.

by C8LIN B on Jun 25, 2008 12:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the booing

is a result of the entire year of frustration.
There is a certain volcano effect.
last night the volcano blew.

by strummer on Jun 25, 2008 1:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i agree that it was probably frustration as a whole

but i still don’t like the booing

Trust me, death is the best argument for moisturizer.

by C8LIN B on Jun 25, 2008 1:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed

I would never boo trevor (as he is the inspiration for my name) but I think the boo was just about the year and it boiled over last night. and trevor just happened to be on the mound

Padres Baseball. Feel the Frustration!

by offspeedkills on Jun 25, 2008 1:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i agree about the wave

it gets iiritating on about the 5th time they try to make it happen
then if it does, it never ends

Putting lights in Wrigley Field is like putting aluminum siding on the Sistine Chapel. ~Roger Simon, 1988

by iLOVEkouz5 on Jun 25, 2008 1:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the wave

is irritating from the moment it starts. and it’s also extremely distracting. though i never participate (i swear i don’t, it’d be breaking the official rule of conduct), i can’t help but watch it. then i get all distracted and i end up missing half the game.

"i kinda feel like nevin and klesko were some fling we (the padres) had in the past and now realize were a bad idea and are embarrassed about."

by freelunch on Jun 25, 2008 2:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i think it was last saturday

but they actually made it go around the stadium like 5 times
and everytime i would involuntarily go to it and then the dude would be out or something would happen and i didnt know what the hell just happened. it pissed me off

and i dont participate either. and im too lazy to attempt standing up going “woooo” for 3 seconds anyways

Putting lights in Wrigley Field is like putting aluminum siding on the Sistine Chapel. ~Roger Simon, 1988

by iLOVEkouz5 on Jun 25, 2008 2:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You can't have it both ways

Overall, I am not a fan of booing the home-team. But, I think this really gets to the meat of an important issue—do you believe in loyalty or do you believe in fielding the best team possible? Padres fans, you can’t have it both ways. If you detach the name from the performance this year (and arguably last year), there is no way that this “guy” would be your closer. In fact, if he were a rookie, he would probably be back down in the minors somewhere to retool. Trevor is without question a future Hall-of-Famer. But, every Hall-of-Famer reaches a point where they no longer compete at the same level. This really gets into baseball economics. You want the young guys who are underpaid relative to the old guys who are overpaid. This is all the more true for a “smaller market” team like SD, who don’t have as much room for error on the budget side. Heath Bell is the future. Trevor is the past. This is not a diss on Trevor. It’s just life. I would rather call it like it is, and field the best team we can now.

by RickMac on Jun 25, 2008 11:45 AM PDT   0 recs

If they don't want us to boo Trevor, then the Padres should have a Boo Cam

that flashes things up on the scoreboard for us to boo, like – $9 near beer, John Moores (who knows what he looks like?), Becky Moores (our future owner?), Bud’s decision to put Trevor in a non-save situation, guys who can’t bunt, stolen bases, AAAA players that are masquerading as MLB players…

Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand.
Leo Durocher

by planetjeffy on Jun 25, 2008 12:29 PM PDT   0 recs

Booing is a fan right

Anyone who purchases a ticket has the right to boo. I know it’s a shocker to some of the fans and players because it doesn’t happen much at all in this city but too freakin’ bad. Go to Philly. Go to New York. Go to even LA. Come on now Padres. Stop acting like a whipped puppy and go out and play baseball for your fans. It pisses me off when guys making millions a year to play baseball get offended when a stadium, filled with what 20k, boos weakly.

Hell, I boo every time Khalil Greene comes up to bat. I boo any and every time we leave runners in scoring position. I booed Termel Sludge all the time. Any player that sucks, I boo.

I have no problem booing the home team, in fact with this team, we should do it more. It’s about time for the Padre Fans show that they have some huevos.

by Kozak on Jun 25, 2008 12:45 PM PDT   0 recs

Eggs

Throwing batteries is more effective. Ask people in Philadelphia.

What I meant was balls. Interesting, right?

by Kozak on Jun 25, 2008 4:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

anyone else listening to Coach Kentera today. He is fuming about how lackluster the Padres are. I don’t remember the last time I have seen him this mad.

by fairweatherfan. on Jun 25, 2008 12:53 PM PDT   0 recs

Last night, perhaps

More power to the Coach, this crap is infuriating.

can you cure us of this fate
mock the litany in its face

by Axion on Jun 25, 2008 1:05 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

philly billy and darren are p-oed too

Philly Billy said ‘we are here in the afternoon and there is no one out here bunting”

and he said ‘these are big league players” and darren said “are they? you sure about that?”

Trust me, death is the best argument for moisturizer.

by C8LIN B on Jun 25, 2008 1:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that deserves some boos there

it seems like the players have given up. But I have not given up on them but i am very frustrated. People say San Diego fans don’t care, and when we finally show some emotion and boo…we get talked about negatively, so it’s like we lose either way.

Padres Baseball. Feel the Frustration!

by offspeedkills on Jun 25, 2008 3:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

When Padres fans were booing last night

they weren’t booing Trevor Hoffman’s HoF career. They weren’t booing all of his accomplishments or records or accolades. They were booing the fact that he gave up 2 home runs in the top of the ninth against the 7 and 8 hitters to lose the game. Stop giving us this “he’s done too much to deserve this booing” garbage. He screwed up the game last night, and has screwed up more than a few games this season. If the team is 6 games over .500 or if Trevor had a 2.80 ERA or something I’d be angry that they booed but neither is happening right now.

Regardless, I think the booing was also stemmed from all the frustration that needed to come out last night. The volcano blew at that point. The Padres can’t beat an AL team to save their lives and it sucks.

"If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself." - Bob Dylan

by JollyWaffle on Jun 25, 2008 1:21 PM PDT   0 recs

Yeah, that damn Trevor Hoffman

He can’t bunt for shit, hit for power, hit with runners on, steal bases, nothing…

I just don’t boo good guys when they’re out there busting their humps.

can you cure us of this fate
mock the litany in its face

by Axion on Jun 25, 2008 1:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I get that the rest of the team sucks

that much is obvious. But the fact remains that Trevor gave up two HRs late in the game. Corey got 3 outs. Bell got 3 outs. Hoffman got taken deep twice.

I’m sure every player in baseball busts their humps, but I don’t think fans were booing Hoffman’s lack of effort last night. They were booing the results. And I just don’t see the problem with fans booing the results.

"If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself." - Bob Dylan

by JollyWaffle on Jun 25, 2008 1:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Even Jim Rome has Trevor's back

He spoke for a while about how certain guys are above ever getting booed by the home crowd, and Trevor is one of them.

I gotta say, I can’t remember the Pads getting this much national attention in years, including the playoff appearances.

by theodore donald kerabatsos on Jun 25, 2008 1:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Seriously

The more we suck the more national attention we get. Maybe we should change strategies.

FIRE BUD BLACK! RETIRE HOFFMAN! TRADE HEADLEY!

by sdsuaztec4 on Jun 25, 2008 2:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thats not unique to SD

Look at the Mets right now
or the Dodgers some years

by strummer on Jun 25, 2008 2:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i personally would never

boo trevor. i’d curse at him maybe, but never boo. and probably not curse out aloud either, just cause there are always little kiddies around =P

but quick question: was the entire stadium booing him or was it just section of the crowd? i wouldn’t know since a) i was not there and b) i turned the tv off when he gave up the first hr.

"i kinda feel like nevin and klesko were some fling we (the padres) had in the past and now realize were a bad idea and are embarrassed about."

by freelunch on Jun 25, 2008 1:47 PM PDT   0 recs

It was the whole stadium

That is, it wasn’t all 35,000 of them, but it wasn’t localized.

by boha on Jun 25, 2008 5:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wait a second
and that’s when I’d start to throw peanuts.

Dex, your fists are the size of peanuts?

can you cure us of this fate
mock the litany in its face

by Axion on Jun 25, 2008 2:07 PM PDT   0 recs

You can BOO Sandy Alderson now

on 1090. He is taking calls.

Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand.
Leo Durocher

by planetjeffy on Jun 25, 2008 2:28 PM PDT   0 recs

There is no need to boo Trevor

We should be booing Bud Black for putting him in situations to fail. Boo him when the annouce him in the lineups. Boo him when he comes out to change pitchers.

FIRE BUD BLACK! RETIRE HOFFMAN! TRADE HEADLEY!

by sdsuaztec4 on Jun 25, 2008 2:31 PM PDT   0 recs

If our closer can't close out a game

(save or not) then he shouldn’t be the closer. The manager can’t be faulted for going to his closer at the end of the game. That’s the card he’s left to deal.

can you cure us of this fate
mock the litany in its face

by Axion on Jun 25, 2008 3:20 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Booing is part of the game

it’s not my thing, but more power to the people that want to boo.

by jbox on Jun 25, 2008 3:09 PM PDT   0 recs

i agree

i say boo the damn thing if you feel like it.

"i kinda feel like nevin and klesko were some fling we (the padres) had in the past and now realize were a bad idea and are embarrassed about."

by freelunch on Jun 25, 2008 3:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I like freelunch

cuz she keepin’ it real and holdin’ it down.

by Dex on Jun 25, 2008 4:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Boo-birds are ungrateful turds

They are ungrateful to their HoF closer.

They are ungrateful to a Front Office that produced 4 straight winning seasons despite having an absolutely horrid farm system and no money to spend on free agency.

I have a hard time understanding why our fans have some much more hostility towards their organization than fans of far less successful organizations do. Our fans expect the world, but don’t want to pay for it (what would they think if the Padres starting charging what the Yankees, Mets and Red Sox charge) and yet still feel they have a right to boo when a couple things don’t go our way (this was a close game we were in until the end, not a blowout after all).

Michael Barrett for Retirement in '08. Bring back Piazza!

by Wonko on Jun 25, 2008 4:35 PM PDT   0 recs

BOO!!!

BOOOOOOO!!!!

by Dex on Jun 25, 2008 4:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Beer is 9.50 in Yankee Stadium for Bud Light

FIRE BUD BLACK! RETIRE HOFFMAN! TRADE HEADLEY!

by sdsuaztec4 on Jun 25, 2008 4:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

8.50 if you find the guy walking around

same prices.

FIRE BUD BLACK! RETIRE HOFFMAN! TRADE HEADLEY!

by sdsuaztec4 on Jun 25, 2008 4:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes but have you seen their ticket prices?

Try sitting at field level for under $90 (and that’s assuming you can actually get tickets wholesale).

Michael Barrett for Retirement in '08. Bring back Piazza!

by Wonko on Jun 25, 2008 6:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So our ticket prices

are less than Yankee Stadium,
Therefor booooing is uncalled for?
If you factor in the tax subsidies, I bet we pay closer to them
than you think

by strummer on Jun 26, 2008 7:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What tax subsidies

The Padres had to pay for most of the cost of the ballpark. Plus it’s not like the Yankees are paying for their new park. They are getting public money out the ying yang.

Michael Barrett for Retirement in '08. Bring back Piazza!

by Wonko on Jun 26, 2008 2:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Booooo!

Down with Wonko! Booooo! BOOOOO! Ban Wonko! BOOOOOO!

by jbox on Jun 25, 2008 6:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly the reaction i was looking for

Michael Barrett for Retirement in '08. Bring back Piazza!

by Wonko on Jun 25, 2008 7:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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