Extra Sports is floating the rumor that a Kouz for Bay trade is in the works. They did not give...

Extra Sports is floating the rumor that a Kouz for Bay trade is in the works. They did not give their source but they said it was someone in the Padres front office.

via Steve C. on Ducksnorts

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2:32 [Comment From Kevin Kouzmanoff]
Do you think Chase Headley will take my spot at third and I got to Pittsburgh for Jason Bay?
2:33 A radio host had a rumor of a Kouz for Bay swap today. I hadnt heard of the guy so I held off on posting it. But yeah, Headley would go to third in that case.

Definitely making the rounds.

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by Axion on Jun 24, 2008 2:06 PM PDT 0 recs

Which host?

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by Drama on Jun 24, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up 0 recs

It doesn't say

It could be just the same source.

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by Axion on Jun 24, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up 0 recs

It was Dave Palet on XTRA 1360.

Here’s a link to their blog. This part was written by his co-host on the morning show, Jeff Dotseth:

I hope Palet is right on this trade rumor that he reported this morning. In case you missed it, Dave has been told by major league sources that the Padres are close to a deal that would send Kooze to the Pirates for Jason Bay. I would be sorry to see Kevin go, but the deal makes sense. It gives you a legit right handed power bat in the middle of your lineup, and also gives you a chance to move Chase Headley back to 3rd base. Bay is going to be looking for huge dough when his contract is up at the end of the 2009 season, but with Hoffman, Giles, and Maddux coming off the books, they have the money. Palet says it should happen this week, so keep an eye out for it………

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by Drama on Jun 24, 2008 2:16 PM PDT up 1 recs

contract through 2009

so we’d keep him for a year and a half and when he is up for free agency lose him again. where we could conceivably keep Kouzmanoff for a lot longer at a cheaper price

kinda reminds me of getting Mike Cameron for X Nady… Cameron is gone because we didn’t give him enough money and we could still have Nady who is doing great

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by C8LIN B on Jun 24, 2008 5:12 PM PDT up 0 recs

Held off on posting it?

MLBTR?

by Dex on Jun 24, 2008 2:30 PM PDT up 0 recs

Exactly

That’s what’s fishy to me.

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by Axion on Jun 24, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

Deal!

Sorry, got all caught up in that Pad Squad Carrie thing.

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by Boilermaker19 on Jun 24, 2008 2:12 PM PDT 1 recs

ha

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by ABY on Jun 24, 2008 3:31 PM PDT up 0 recs

Will we

be breaking some kind of space-time continuum if we have Bay and Giles on the same team at the same time?

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by Axion on Jun 24, 2008 2:40 PM PDT 0 recs

LOL

Ax,

You forgot to add the pic of Rallyin’ Rod to your post

:-)

by pasadenapadre on Jun 24, 2008 3:02 PM PDT 0 recs

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by Axion on Jun 24, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up 0 recs

This is bad news for iLOVEKouz

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by JollyWaffle on Jun 24, 2008 3:12 PM PDT 0 recs

but pretty good news for everyone else on planet earth

i wouldn’t be opposed, i always felt that we kinda shafted him the first time he was here, never really got the chance to play.

well that is until he tore up his shoulder, that is. seemed so short lived though.

like Mike Colangelo. i remember him coming up and going a homer short of the cycle, then disappearing into the ether, never to be heard from again.

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by justdave on Jun 24, 2008 3:20 PM PDT up 0 recs

Jason Bay!!!

How is this good?

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by ABY on Jun 24, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

Headley moves to third

Bay seals up LF.

It’s all too easy. :)

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by Axion on Jun 24, 2008 3:37 PM PDT up 0 recs

eh i'd rather have Nady

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by C8LIN B on Jun 24, 2008 3:39 PM PDT 0 recs

okay wait

realistically why would pitsburgh need a third basemen when they have three men who can cover that position and are hitting well..?

and why trade a guy with 15 homeruns and a .283 average for Kouzmanoff who has 10 homeruns and is hitting .263 i don’t see what is in it for the Pirates unless there is something else involved in the trade..?

and for the Padres aren’t they sick of selling off young guys with a future for older guys… Kouzmanoff is in his second year and proving to be productive at neerly 27 while Bay is is going to be 30 not that big of a difference in life, but a big different in baseball years…

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by C8LIN B on Jun 24, 2008 4:05 PM PDT 0 recs

Bay

I have a lot of family in Pittsburgh, and they believe Bay did something to piss off the FO/Owner. He has been in the Dog House since he gotten there. These are the same guy who traded Armaris Rameriz for a bag of balls and a free subscription to Cat Fancy. I think all that Iron City goes to their heads.

Looking at all the bad signings/non signings/trades that Pittsburgh has done, I am still amazed KT gave up so much to get Giles.

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by Sammy G on Jun 24, 2008 4:13 PM PDT up 0 recs

oh

Bay being a dead pull hitter, would do much better than Kouz since his power is to the allies.

Of course, both have back problems….....

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by Sammy G on Jun 24, 2008 4:14 PM PDT up 0 recs

Bay is a FA after this year

The Pirates are not going to sign him, so now is the time to trade him.

by strummer on Jun 24, 2008 6:09 PM PDT up 0 recs

i thought he was in his third year of a four year contract

free agent after 2009

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by C8LIN B on Jun 24, 2008 7:22 PM PDT up 0 recs

Contracts, Scott Boras, etc...

Given what Petco inevitably does to players, would we really see an upgrade in Bay? Sure, you put Headley at a natural position, but does the team suffer that much with him in LF, or conversely gain with Bay out there instead?

The next thing to wonder is his free agency status…even with those dinosaur contracts off the books, is Jason Bay the player you want to cover in cash? Isn’t he going to be hitting that Brian Giles point of his career, where his best numbers are immediately in his rearview and the player you got rid of is still coming into his prime? I can’t help but think a post-prime Bay + Petco effect = Kouzmanoff in the next 2-3 years, though Kouz comes at a significantly cheaper price. If the team thinks Headley’s game is going to take a nosedive at the big league level running him out there every day in LF instead of 3B, I guess they’d have to make that trade, but you make trades for upside and potential when you’re not playing well, and immediate impact when you are…and I think we all know where this team sits. Let us keep the core young players, remain patient (which you have the rare ability to do in this market), and the window for a championship will be larger down the line than it might be if you’re always playing for the very next year.

by California Penal on Jun 24, 2008 4:56 PM PDT 0 recs

he's only 29

he’ll be in his prime for another 2 years. i’d be happy with it.

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by justdave on Jun 24, 2008 5:06 PM PDT up 0 recs

By that math

We’d have Kouz in his prime for four years :)

by California Penal on Jun 24, 2008 5:17 PM PDT up 0 recs

excellent point

i don’t really have a rebuttal… i believe it has been well established that i have absolutely no idea what i’m talking about.

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by justdave on Jun 24, 2008 5:19 PM PDT up 0 recs

I like you.

We need a lot more of that around here. Cheers, my friend.

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by Drama on Jun 24, 2008 6:50 PM PDT up 0 recs

no problem, plenty more of it to go around...

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by justdave on Jun 24, 2008 11:02 PM PDT up 0 recs

31 is past your prime?

that means he is done after next year

he turns 30 this year

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by C8LIN B on Jun 24, 2008 5:24 PM PDT up 0 recs

wasn't saying he is done

but i think for a lot of players their skills begin to deteriorate after 31 or 32.

unless your name is Roger Clemens, who clearly is just more awesome than everyone, and is clearly the most ethical and honest person ever.

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by justdave on Jun 24, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up 0 recs

Kind of a side note to that,

No matter how much evidence is lacking in a legal sense, I still believe we were sold a false bill of goods with Giles. I think his pre-acquisition numbers were inflated, and we received a player who, due to more than a decrease in natural abilities, wasn’t the player we’d hoped he would be. That’s not to say he hasn’t been solid, and I think you can make a great case of his being quite beneficial to the team over the last 5 years, though given how Bay’s blossomed in another uniform it makes that trade that much harder to swallow.

Also, I hope that, regardless of whether or not the club deems this Kouz/Bay trade doable, KT doesn’t let the fact that he let Bay get away once factor into his decision…he needs to look at the benefits as if Bay were any other player, and not a case of drawing a stray sheep back into the flock.

by California Penal on Jun 24, 2008 5:55 PM PDT up 0 recs

Gilly's Decrease in Natural Abilities = Steroids

Would Bay have power in Petco – probably not. Kouz at 3rd and Headly at LF makes most sense financially and numbers wise.

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by planetjeffy on Jun 24, 2008 6:49 PM PDT up 0 recs

I'd like the record to reflect that I never used the 'S' word :)

by California Penal on Jun 24, 2008 7:25 PM PDT up 0 recs

OK - 'roids, then.

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by planetjeffy on Jun 24, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up 1 recs

Prime years

By almost every statistical analysis is ages 24-28 for hitters. Many hitters will have a slow decline off of those years hence the good years at ages 28-31 (and if the get lucky a career year). But there are just as many that nose dive once they get past 28.

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by Wonko on Jun 24, 2008 10:17 PM PDT up 0 recs

Mmmmmm... laaaaaaaaamb!

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by ABY on Jun 24, 2008 6:04 PM PDT 0 recs

thought i'd look this up

Jason Bay’s numbers at Petco Park… although to be fair it is only 43 at bats
G:12 AB:43 R:1 H:5 2B:2 3B:0 HR:0 RBI:1 BB:4 K:16 SB:0 CS:0 AVG:.116 OBP:.193 SLG;.163 OPS:.354

from yahoo sports

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by C8LIN B on Jun 24, 2008 7:39 PM PDT 0 recs

And against Padre pitchers

which, with the exception of this year, was a matchup in the Padres favor.

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by Axion on Jun 24, 2008 10:26 PM PDT up 0 recs

i'd never heard of these guys before

so i read the blog
they seem like d-bags

does anyone listen to them? are they usually right with what they say?

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by C8LIN B on Jun 24, 2008 10:40 PM PDT 0 recs

I hadn't heard of them either

But they both claim that they have been doing San Diego sports radio for a long time (1980s). One them said he used to do the pregame shows for the Padres back in the 1990s.

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by Wonko on Jun 25, 2008 12:04 AM PDT up 0 recs

Coach Kentara

just said that he took the rumor to the field today and asked around. A Padres employee took him aside and told him that this rumor is indeed being worked on in the Front Office.

by jbox on Jun 24, 2008 10:43 PM PDT 0 recs

And he is ranting

about the offense right now.

“Comical that it’s said Bud Black’s job is in jeopardy. Laughable.”

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by Axion on Jun 24, 2008 10:48 PM PDT up 0 recs

Ernie is really getting tongue tied tonight

having trouble putting together a complete sentence.

by jbox on Jun 24, 2008 10:54 PM PDT up 0 recs

Tonight?

Poor Ernie.

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by Axion on Jun 24, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up 0 recs

i think it is lame

that people would talk about it

but i also think it is ridiculous to trade Kouzmanoff

I hate Towers with an absolute passion and that will just add to it

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by C8LIN B on Jun 24, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up 0 recs

Don't you think it's weird...

That the FO has guys that will take you into a back room and tell you secrets?

“Hey there Mr. radio talk show guy I’ve got a juicy tidbit I’m just dieing to let out. I’m sure it wouldn’t get out on your radio show.” Lame.

It’s more likely that they spread these rumors to help drive up value. “Did you that the Padres might get Bay in return for Kouz.” “Damn, I like Kouz, what can we offer that’s almost like offering Bay?”

Or maybe some guy just likes making the radio talk show hosts get excited about things he made up.

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by Wonko on Jun 25, 2008 12:08 AM PDT up 0 recs