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Smells Like Padres in Here - Monday Edition

I was trying to come up with some hilarious play on Sleepless in Seattle about how bad the Padres are but I think it's better to just simply state the obvious - we are not very good.

In case you decided to do yourself a favor and stay away from everything Padres-related this weekend, Jake has a bad elbow.  I fully expect his arm to be amputated by Thursday.

Jody Gerut seems intelligent.

Q&A with Estes.

You want someone to blame for this weekend?  I blame Corey Brock for writing this prior to Saturday's game.

This in-depth piece on the Julio Franco era is awesome.

Ledezma steps in for Peavy tonight against the Cardinals and goes against someone named Todd Wellemeyer, who seems to be having a good year.  He'll probably strike out 26 of the 27 Padres he faces.  Game time is 7:05pm PDT.

 

This FanPost was written by a member of the Gaslamp Ball community and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Gaslamp Ball managers or SB Nation.

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I was in Seattle

for Friday and Saturday’s games. Friday was a lot of fun, but nerve-wracking as hell with CY looking like he was going to give it up at any point.

Saturday was a heart-breaker. Yeah, Bedard K’ed 10. But more frustrating was the fact that we hit several balls very well and they were right at people.

Got off the plane and into my car yesterday just in time to hear Heath blow the 8th. And then this morning, I see that Jake has a bum elbow.

So much fun in Padres land. I think I’ve officially given up on the season. We had to sweep the Mariners to get any momentum going, and we’re not going to have too many more opportunities to play teams this bad.

Since we can’t play ourselves.

by Phantom on May 19, 2008 7:48 AM PDT reply actions  

KT

KT was on XX Sports Radio with Scott and BR this morning.

It was an interesting conversation. I think this exchange says quite a bit about the state of the ballclub:

Kaplan: Kevin, you say you’ve got to decide if these are championship caliber ball-players. Can these guys turn it around? These are the things you have to decide. Are they? Can they?

KT: I would say we’ve got a couple. But we’ve got very few. And for us to play deep in the post-season…to want to win divisions…to go where we were at in ‘98…it’s pretty easy for any of you to look at and think of the Finley’s, the Caminitti’s, the Gwynn’s, the Vaughns…you know, and look at the players we have here and say if these are the types of guys that can take us to where we were in ‘98. I think there’s a couple, but very few. And we need to find more of ‘em. Either internally, down there in our farm sysytem, hopefully we can develop them or we look externally to get the right fit.

by Drama on May 19, 2008 8:48 AM PDT reply actions  

He sounded pissed th entire time, I thought

Like he’d trade every single guy on the roster right now if he could.

by Winfield's Ghost on May 19, 2008 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, 23 of them.

I think the “couple” of guys that are championship caliber guys he was referring to are Aid and Peavy. I think the rest are to be had for the right price.

If you ask me…Peavy, Aid, Heat and Headley are pretty much the only guys I would not want to deal. I would happily trade any of the rest for the right package.

by Drama on May 19, 2008 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heat

I’d actually be willing to listen to offers for Bell at this point because I think he might be the most valuable trading piece they have. I know that you don’t want to give up a strong bullpen arm, but if this season is done (and imo, it is), trading him for a couple of younger arms would have to be looked at.

by Winfield's Ghost on May 19, 2008 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

You know in Scrabble

when you don’t have any good letters and you can just skip your turn and swap them all out. I’d be down for something like that.

by jbox on May 19, 2008 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

Like “we’re going to skip the rest of our games in May” and then bring in an entire new roster for June. That would be fantastic.

by Winfield's Ghost on May 19, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Second.

I’d like to try that too.

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on May 19, 2008 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I see your point.

I was wavering on whether to put him on the list. I’m just worried about who is going to close for us in ‘09. I really don’t see another viable option to assume Trevor’s role.

by Drama on May 19, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think there's a few more pieces than just Aid and Peavy

Chris Young is definitely a good piece of a “championship team”—as a #2, he’s good, as a #3 option he’s fantastic.

Okay, granted there’s not much. I watched Mike Cameron track down a deep flyball in yesterdays Brewers-Red Sox game--a ball any one of the Padres replacements this year would have left as a certain double. I thought the Padres didn’t need Cameron—man, was I wrong.

I dream of a Bradley-Cameron-Giles OF, a 2007 Joe Thatcher, a healthy Michael Barrett as a backstop. That team would be .500, I think. Not great….but as of now, the season feels over in mid-May, which is disgusting.

by goose1 on May 19, 2008 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, to totally get ahead of ourselves...

...I’m not sure a lockdown closer will be needed in ‘09 because I’m not sure how much better this team will be, regardless of how its turned over. I’m totally lobbying for the youth movement now – so I’d be okay with trading him for a couple of young arms and using next season to see who the closer would be in ‘10.

by Winfield's Ghost on May 19, 2008 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Woah.

I’ll agree that ‘08 is a goner…but I can’t already give up on ‘09. I just can’t. There isn’t enough vodka for me to have to wait until 2010 to see a Padre game that actually matters.

Go ‘09 Padres!!!

by Drama on May 19, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

There's a chance that the Great Disaster of 2008 shakes things up

These have been winning teams the past 4 years…I expect the Front Office had a lot higher expectations. They’re not on the downside of a win cycle—-I think 2008 looked like a stopgap year, and better options fell through (Bradley, Cameron, Fukudome….leaving Edmonds) while they made some good moves elsewhere (Wolf, Iguchi).

I would expect to see a WILDLY different Padre team in 2009. Need to start looking at that free agent list.

by goose1 on May 19, 2008 10:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't like any of the names on there.

...TRADE!

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Seriously?

Mark Ellis? Bradley? Sabathia? Emil Brown? I’d take any of them, preferably all.

by sacpadre on May 19, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

We already had Bradley.

I don’t like sitting around for Uncle Milty to get his ass off the DL. Ellis is too streaky, not enough upside. Sabathia is out of our league.

Brown is an intriguing player this year, however.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

Milton Bradley

was my favorite Padre last year. We need his attitude and bat.

"Rich Folkers is throwing up in the bullpen." - Jerry Coleman

by Hacker on May 19, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do people even remember Bradley?

He only had 144 ABs in 48 G for us. He almost has more than that this year.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

How do you not remember

a guy who gets you 11 HRs, 30 RBIs, with a .414 OBP, .590 SLG, and .313 BA? Especially on a traditionally offense deprived team.

by sacpadre on May 19, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I remember him getting his knee blown out

Does that count?

I remember it like it was a dream. A nightmare where the Chargers lost to the Chiefs, Cameron got stepped on (and amazingly it wasn’t Termel Sledge) and then everyone lost their cool which resulted in bad things for Bradley.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember

Bud Black cage fighting his own player. It was going to be to the death, but the ump stepped in at the last minute.

by sacpadre on May 19, 2008 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Was just reading that...thanks

This might deserve a diary post of its own: 2009 Padres.

by goose1 on May 19, 2008 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Adam Dunn and Rocco Baldelli?

Sure, Dunn strikes out a ton and plays LF like a trash can. But he’s got power and gets on base (Sandy Alderson’s two favorite qualities). I guess it might be a problem that he and Adrian are both lefties and would be most likely back to back in the order…

Baldelli, fine, is hurt a lot….but when he’s not hurt, he’s pretty solid.

by goose1 on May 19, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also...who to trade?

Not a lot of leverage for the Padres, outside of Peavy and Adrian.

Maybe Maddux to a contender at the deadline. Same with Giles, if he keeps hitting like he is.

Greene might get them something, but there’s no internal replacement for him. Kouzmanoff won’t be worth much.

I don’t know. It seems like it’s going to be internal or free agents for next year…..though KT does love to wheel and deal.

by goose1 on May 19, 2008 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

That’s why I just can’t see a whole lot changing. I’d bet on seeing more of the young guys at the beginning of the yr – Antonelli, Venable, etc – so that they can figure out what to do. To me, more of the young guys would mean more struggles next year, which I’m fine with.

There are no names on that FA list that are worth getting excited over.

by Winfield's Ghost on May 19, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Trading Adrian

I don’t have a problem with this as long as you get a ton back. If you could get a legit CF prospect (and maybe a RF) and move one of slow footed semi-sluggers to 1B that would accomplish something. It also opens up the spot for Kyle Blanks in 2010 or 2011. I don’t think Adrian will be any better than he is this year so it’s a matter of taking your best asset and trading while his value is high. Similar to what the A’s did with Haren.

The obvious fit is the Yankees. But I’m not sure what you’d want in return. Austin Jackson is probably the starting point.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yankees are a clear fit for Adrian, definitely.

Except the Yanks are already heavy on lefty bats.

Nonetheless, they’ve had such a jumbled 1B situation for so long, that I think you could get Hank Steinbrenner to overpay for a guy like Adrian. Austin Jackson, Jose Tabata, and an arm would be a good starting point. Buy low on Hughes.

Tabata is 19 and in Double A. Might have some attitude problems….but then again, it may be that the Yankees are rushing him.

by goose1 on May 19, 2008 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

Those are my thoughts exactly

The only problem is that currently they are the ONLY real fit. So they are basically bidding against themselves. You could wait until the offseason where Mets may buyout Delgado, but their farm system is lacking after the Santana deal same goes for the Mariners except with no buyout and Bedard instead of Santana. The Braves also become interesting if they don’t re-sign Teixeira.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd trade Adrian

I’d much rather have a leader and he’s one of a few guys who actually has value. I’d also trade Bell, but not Headley.

by Dex on May 20, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

sigh

if we have a fire sale, I stand a much better chance of losing my bet that the padres will finish ahead of the giants….

by pjbno4 on May 19, 2008 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

The Julio Franco era

You mean ‘baseball’?

"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG

by TheGrandHatching on May 19, 2008 8:51 AM PDT reply actions  

Headley watch....

I bet Headley comes up for the start of the Reds series this Thursday. Him starting off seeing Reds pitching, followed by Nationals pitching would be a good start for him.

by Drama on May 19, 2008 8:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Fred Dryer was on Scott & BR, too.

“Two-time Pro-Bowler Fred Dryer.”
“You mean TV’s ‘Hunter’?”
``gasp`` “He was Hunter?”

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 9:27 AM PDT reply actions  

At least we know P-Keg won't be starting tonight.

According to rumors he was seen at Lindbergh Field hastily catching a flight to Illinois for some unknown reason this morning.

by Drama on May 19, 2008 9:29 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Boosh!

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

Jim Edmonds update...

Edmonds hasn’t played or even pinch-hit since he left seven guys on base in last Thursday’s game against the Padres.

by Drama on May 19, 2008 9:45 AM PDT reply actions  

But he hasn't lost a step!

And he’s in the best shape of the past 6-7 years!

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 9:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

"death knell"

From Jon Heyman’s Daily Scoop today:

The Padres could be the first team dead and buried now. If Jake Peavy’s elbow issue keeps him out (he’s only said to have to miss one start so far, Monday’s start), that could be their death knell.

by Drama on May 19, 2008 9:56 AM PDT reply actions  

Damnit!

We’re getting Schiavo’d.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

This is awesome.

If the ‘08 Padres were some kind of steam-era engine room in the bowels of some giant sea-faring vessel, there would be dudes screamin’, shrapnel flyin’ all over the place from exploding valves and doohickeys, Jake’s elbow gets clanked from a ruptured steam pipe while Adrian and Giles are throwing whole barrels of kittens and puppies into furnaces to keep the bitch steaming along…

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 10:03 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Lofton

Is this guy just asking for a load of cash or something? Seems like a good 1 to 2 year option if he doesn’t ask for too much. Although to a certain extent, I feel like he may be too little too late. I still say I’d like to see the Padres make an aggressive move towards someone like Dustin Pedroia. The guy plays a mean 2B and he can mash the ball. Mark Ellis seems like another good option. Heck, at this point, I’d try to pick up some of the Rays or Marlin’s assets. You know the Padres could pay them more than their respective clubs can/will. Don’t think all is lost. Not ready to throw in the towel yet, but wholesale changes are in order.

by sacpadre on May 19, 2008 10:06 AM PDT reply actions  

Are you talking next year?

Because we have Iguchi this year, and Antonelli supposedly next year.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Thank you.

Kind of sick of the whole Antonelli savior talk. The guy was mediocre in spring training, and he is getting murdered in Portland. I don’t think he solves our 2B woes.

by sacpadre on May 19, 2008 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nobody said savior.

Just a guy who we already have who should be here.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know.

I really wish we had signed Tadahito to a two-year deal. Antonelli worries me.

by Drama on May 19, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think there will be another assessment at the end of the year.

And if Antonelli doesn’t look close, KT will take the safe bet and try to resign him.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also, I think Iguchi likes it here.

I thought before the season started, he was open to a longer deal. I think I remember Iguchi wanting 2 years, actually….

Iguchi/Antonelli splitting time at 2nd next year would be fine by me.

Just like Headley should be splitting time with Milton Bradley (during MB’s traditional 2 months of injuries) this year…..sigh.

by goose1 on May 19, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

IIRC

Milton Bradley is of the opinion that the Padres do not want him. This is why he signed elsewhere.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

I never got that, actually. They offered him 4 million.

And he signed with Texas for 5. MB talks crazy talk sometimes…..I’m pretty sure he just wanted to DH in a park that wasn’t going to suppress his numbers.

by goose1 on May 19, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

you really never got that impression?

I knew it as soon as black threw him to the ground and tore his ACL. That’s that kind of thing you don’t do to players you want to keep around.

by pjbno4 on May 19, 2008 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I meant I never got why Bradley thought that.

I know he thought the Padres didn’t want him….but I didn’t think there was any legitimate reason for him to think so. I mean, they offered him a contract, as KT said. Not the case for the likes of Blum and Brocail—-they definitely didn’t want those guys.

by goose1 on May 19, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Brocail = #42 pick in 1st round

Yea crazy draft rules!

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember KT on the air...

shortly after Milton said the Padres didn’t want him. He basically blasted him saying that they are not in the business of offering contracts to players they don’t want and that Milton never asked for a counteroffer. He took the Rangers money and ran (well, hobbled). I think he was upset that the Padres didn’t offer him a contract until December.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

With Antonelli batting .197 in the typically hitter heave PCL, I don’t really see how he is remotely ready for the majors. I think he was supposed to be the next big thing, but I think he has a little bit of time before he is ready for the next step.

by sacpadre on May 19, 2008 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Defense

His 2B defense is also shaky since he’s still learning the position (he played 3B at Wake Forest). In China he looked absolutely lost out there.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Antonelli was in A-ball last year.

He just got moved up.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Actually

He was in High A and AA.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

Same place.

Either way, he’s def. not ready this year and will be looked at again in Spring Training next year.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Speaking of Beavers.

Chase was 3 for 5 yesterday in an 11-2 win over Vegas. He hit his seventh HR of the season, had a double, 2 RBI, a walk and scored 4 runs.

by Drama on May 19, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

His ass needs to be up here ASAP.

by Phantom on May 19, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't like Ellis.

Too streaky, and with Khalil (if we still have him) that’s just another problem. No way on Pedroia.

Rays and Marlins are locking up their assets or trading them for even better prospects, which we don’t have to offer.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm

Don’t really see what there is not to like about Dustin. The guy has a .301 AVG, .358 OBP, and .419 slugging. He is also excellent on defense. Not completely sold on Ellis, but the guy is a great 2B for the price. I’d take him over Tad.

by sacpadre on May 19, 2008 10:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Who are we trading for Pedroia?

Why would the Red Sox do this? We’d be better off trying to pry Lowrie from them. Plus, he plays an OK SS. We also have Pedroia in our farm system. His name is Eric Sogard. Short, Arizona State 2B that can rake.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

That's what I meant with "no way" on Pedroia

There really is no way. KT would have to date-rape Theo Epstein.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

Time for KT

to start dealing. Here are some guys we should probably dangle:

1) Tony Clark
2) Michael Barrett
3) Randy Wolf
4) Greg Maddux
5) Khalil Greene
6) Heath Bell (seriously)
7) Chris Young

by Phantom on May 19, 2008 10:42 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm guessing...

....Huber, P-Keg and Hairy aren’t on this list because we can’t get a damn thing for any of them?

by Drama on May 19, 2008 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions  

lol yes

and I’m surprised that Greene is on Phantom’s list. Of course I agree.

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on May 19, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Precisely

Those are the pieces for which we can probably get something in return.

by Phantom on May 19, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

You'd deal CY?

Seems like we’d really be lost without him. Who fills out the 2-5 slots?

by sacpadre on May 19, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

CY

should be extremely valuable a la Haren. He’s got great stuff and is signed to a club-friendly deal for a couple years. If you get a great return, I’d pull the trigger (especially since he’s been a relative question mark since the back injury).

by Phantom on May 19, 2008 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm not arguing

a forefeiture of the season, but as you said: the FA market is ugly. The guys in the system aren’t progressing as well as had hoped. I’d rather see us punt on this season and try to position ourselves for more success in the future. I think ‘09 might even be out at this point. We should probably be aiming for success in 2010 with a plan to run our young guys out there next year for experience.

by Phantom on May 19, 2008 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

I 100% agree with you

But Drama started to cry when I said next year is probably a wash, too.

by Winfield's Ghost on May 19, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe I'm too optimistic...

But one of the main problems this year are the many down years by players. Kouz, Bard and Greene aren’t exactly geezers and could bounce back next year. I think you could bring back the rotation next year, plus a young guy or a retread could step up in the #5 spot. Headley and/or Venable might add some extra pop. The main things you have to worry about are 2B, RF, CF, and the bullpen. I’m not saying we SHOULD be contenders. But I’m also not willing to say you can punt 2009 at this point.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

Save Heater!

Dangle Cla!

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is anybody else freaking out about Peavy's exam today?

His MRI today scares the hell out of me.

And why was he allowed to pitch with this pain for his “last three or four outings”? Did he not tell anybody? Did the training staff know? I mean, he’s kind of important. What if the start in Chicago damaged it further? I’d really like to hear more details about this.

by Drama on May 19, 2008 10:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Did anyone do the math?

Did he start against Webb with this elbow crap going on?

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

I fully expect

it to be bad news. If his past history tells us anything, I’m assuming he told trainers about the pain later rather than sooner. And then he told Bud before the Chicago start and Bud said “I don’t have Thatcher to rely on anymore, so you’re gonna have to go out there and pitch through it.”

by Winfield's Ghost on May 19, 2008 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll be ready to 'shop up what I think it looks like in there.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good bye Mac and Hairy

what is Headley’s earliest call up so the Pads can tie him up another year?

Baseball is like church. Many attend; few understand.
Leo Durocher

by planetjeffy on May 19, 2008 12:17 PM PDT reply actions  

April 29th 2009

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hefty comment total for a Monday.

We’re almost beating yesterday’s OT.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 12:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Lots of Padres anger

and desire to make the team better.

by sacpadre on May 19, 2008 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Low employment level?

Or just no desire to work today?

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

The latter.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

unemployed

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on May 19, 2008 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

Glad to see we’re all fired up, though.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well I am going to lunch.

I expect two new trade proposals when I get back. :)

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's what I see...

First, what is depressing is that our salary this year is $73mil, and was only $58mil last year.
But look at the expiring contracts: Maddux, Giles, Hoffman, Wolf, Iguchi, Barrett, Bard, Prior, Clark, Edmonds. That gives us around $55 mil to spend.
I would not plan on signing any of them, except Wolf and maybe Giles if he wanted to play for about $5mil.
I would trade Khalil, for someone like Coco Crisp or Pie plus some.
I would then go and spend, because there are good guys out there. The guys on the free agent list would give us a better offense than last year.
Next year’s line-up:
1B: Adrian
2B: Felipe Lopez – $7mil
3B: Kouz
SS: Orlando Cabrera – $7mil
C: Hundley
LF: Headley
CF: Coco Crisp
RF: Juan Rivera – $6mil
I would also sign Ben Sheets for around $16mil
for a rotation of:
Peavy
Sheets
CY
Wolf
Germano/Ledezma/Hensley

There we are still ahead $20mil with a far better team. We could use that $20mil and still add Jon Garland or Rafael Furcal instead of Cabrera, if we wanted. Why can’t we do this?

by Baron Von Metzger on May 19, 2008 1:08 PM PDT reply actions  

Giles

So, you’re going to buyout the rest of Brian’s contract for $3 million and then offer him a one-year deal for $5 million instead of just keeping him for $9 million?

by Drama on May 19, 2008 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Crap

Sorry, I actually didnt realize there was a buyout. That complicates things. I guess the net of $6 mil still makes him worth it for one more year.

by Baron Von Metzger on May 19, 2008 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is why Giles must go by July 31.

We can always re-sign him after the other team pays him off.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

This roster is very flawed

Lopez isn’t work $7, let alone $7 mill. Rivera will break down playing RF for 162. The Red Sox don’t need to trade Crisp and why overpay for a 1 year rental? Sheets will want more years than the team philosophy allows. Garland will definitely be overpaid. Cabrera and/or Furcal are fine and all, but there doesn’t seem to be a lot of latino players signing with the Padres with the exceptions of some Mexican players. I wonder if there is a stigma against us or something.

For CF I think that you need to leverage some of our talent at other positions (CY or Ago?) and trade for a top CF prospect or try to draft and develop but in the meantime try to trade for a minor league CF who is not getting a fair shake (like the A’s did this year with Sweeney), this could be Reed or Pie or a number of other guys stuck in AAA.

You need to find out what you have in Headley, Venable and possibly Hundley. Maybe Venable splits time with your suggestion of Juan Rivera. I think you have to stick with Khalil and hope his trade value returns or just hold onto him and get the draft picks for him signing elsewhere.

One idea for 2B is to sign Hudson, he brings speed and great defense. If Antonelli bounces back maybe he becomes a good trading piece to upgrade a different position.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

I realize

I know this is not a perfect line up. I realize that I do not have the knowledge of a GM. My point is that even though it is a weak market the free agents available are better than every single one of our players, except for Adrian. We could easily become a better team by hitting the market hard.

by Baron Von Metzger on May 20, 2008 6:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Why haven't we heard anything about Peavy???

WTF? It’s 1:15pm. Come on. Give me the news so I can start drinking already.

by Drama on May 19, 2008 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm a bit nervous as

well and I can only assume that the silence is an idicator of the result. I hope like hell I’m wrong, but if Jake has a serious issue, we are totally fucked.

by Phantom on May 19, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Aren't we already?

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on May 19, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm guessing

we’ll get some news on the pregame show.

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on May 19, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

We better hear something before then.

They had better not be holding this for that garbage pregame show.

by Drama on May 19, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

We could

try to give them Khalil. They’re gonna need a SS after Omar leaves. That wouldn’t be enough, but it would probably be a start. CY + KG would probably be closer to getting Lincecum (don’t want Cain).

by Phantom on May 19, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Are you sure that's enough for Lincecum?

Because of his low salary and high productivity I’d say Lincecum is one of the 10 most valuable baseball commodities. If I were the Giants I would want something more than what the A’s got for Dan Haren. With the Giants rebuilding needs they wouldn’t want a SS with only 1 more year on his current contract. By the time they are competitive they would be left with Chris Young in the last year of his contract. It just doesn’t make sense for them. If I were them I would ask for Headley, LeBlanc, Latos, Antonelli and Cedric Hunter and even then I would still feel like I wasn’t getting enough.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

How are we all dealing with '08?

I find myself surprisingly OK with the fact that we’re in last place. I’m not exactly thrilled about it, but I’m not nearly as bipolar this year as I was last year. I think it was after the series that I attended in AZ that I realized the outcomes of our games weren’t going to be that important this year.

My wife has commented on it, and after thinking about it, I’m way more stable this year than I was last year. There is something oddly liberating about having a team that is incredibly horrible. I don’t fret every pitch thrown that I do not watch. I’m not hauling ass home to catch every single game. I actually find myself able to have a life outside of baseball.

I obviously still want to win. But I don’t expect to right now. So while I was pissed when Heat blew it yesterday, I also kind of just accepted it. I was much more volatile last year during September than I have been at just about any point this year.

So, how are fellow GLB’ers holding up? Is anyone else reacting like me? Are people on suicide watch (lookin’ at you, Drama)?

by Phantom on May 19, 2008 2:05 PM PDT reply actions  

Padres Drinking Game!

Serious entertainment.

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. " ~Frank Sinatra

by Sammy G on May 19, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I came to this conclusion

At the start of the Rockies home stand. A lot less stress going to home games. However, traveling to Seattle brought it all back because I really didn’t want them to lose both games I traveled to see. It’ll probably be the same when I see the 7 road games (StL, Cin, and Pit) later this year. But the home games are like going to spring training or Quallcom game. No pressure, just enjoying the Gaslamp and a baseball game with good people to talk to, it’s not too noisy and there’s plenty of room.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

I didn’t expect to win the division this year, but I also didn’t expect the team to be in butt naked last either. I’ll never be blase about losing, so the frustration isn’t completely washed away, but realism has set in and I know this just isn’t going to be our year. I like some of our pieces and think there’s reason to be hopeful about the future, but this year, just keep going out to the park and watch Adrian put one of the sweetest swings in the game on the ball, watch Jake rack ‘em up (fingers crossed!!!!!!!), watch The Greatest Of All Time do his thing, and think about how lucky we are to be able to watch baseball where we do. I mean, it could be a lot worse. (That being said, all parties better get their butts in gear and get us a competitive team out there soon.)

Padres for life

by sdgaucho on May 19, 2008 2:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

My problem is...

We still see flashes of the team we are supposed to be and that gets my hopes up, still.

This sounds corny as hell, but I like the fact that it’s (and by it, I mean sucking golfballs through garden hose) given us a chance to start a new chapter in Padre history. We’ve finally moved far enough away from the auto-pilot front office to see what the think-tank guys can come up with on their own.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Auto-Pilot?

I’m extremely grateful that the Padres finally put together a winning baseball team for 4 straight years. That had never been done in the history of the franchise (they were close in ‘82-’85 and again in ‘88-’92). It was a breath of fresh air to root for a team that was playing for something in August/September/October as compared to the 10 years (‘93-’03) where they only had 2 winning seasons (albeit they were awesome winning seasons).

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm aware and appreciative.

But what we have right now is the result of whoever was in the FO during the pre-Alderson era. Whether that’s all Towers’ doing or whoever, but our crappy draft performance and farm system are what prompted Moore’s to bring in the think tank.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

I feel the same way.

I still have my moments of insanity…but they are few and far between. It’s nothing like last season. What bothers me most now are line-ups that don’t make any sense…and the fact that Chase is still a Beaver.

by Drama on May 19, 2008 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed

about both of your points. I used to think that Bochy overdid the righty/lefty crap, but the lineup we ran out on Saturday night was obscene. It’s easy to strike out 10 guys when you’re running Huber and Hairston out there.

As to what Axion said, I totally hear that. It would be even easier for me to accept if we were just getting blown out on a daily basis. But what makes it more soul-crushing (and even though they suck, it’s still soul-crushing at times) is that they are in most of the games they lose. There are very few games like last Monday against the Cubs (which we were in until Buddy decided to let Wolf hang himself).

by Phantom on May 19, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bedard

Did strike out 9 Padres in 6 IP last year with this lineup. Not an allstar lineup, but I’m just saying, the guy gets a lot of strikeouts.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hairston has no business leading off.

And Huber has no business even playing. If we get beat with our best talent out there…I can take that. But if it’s that disheartening for us to see a line-up with Hairy leading off and Huber starting…imagine how the players feel.

Right now, Gerut is our best option leading off and playing CF. Sadly, our best LF option is in Portland.

by Drama on May 19, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

My expectations were never high for this yr because I thought AZ would run right by us (got that one) with the Rox right behind them (missed on that one). I didn’t see 100 losses in our future, but I’m sort of warming to the idea.

by Winfield's Ghost on May 19, 2008 3:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

Just heard the game was cancelled

Due to an explosion at the Hilton. Haven’t confirmed it’s true yet.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 2:59 PM PDT reply actions  

I also

received an e-mail update from 10 News, but it mentioned nothing about the game. It was just about the explosion.

by Phantom on May 19, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

A buddy of mine just heard that on the radio

not sure which station, probably 1090.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hmm

Padres.com doesn’t have anything and neither does the UT’s Web site signonsandiego.com.

by Phantom on May 19, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Linkage!

Explosion reported at downtown Hilton construction site

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I saw that.

www.kfmb.com has a little breaking news header that says :

Emergency crews are on the scene of a possible explosion at a Hilton hotel under construction in downtown San Diego next to the San Diego Convention Center on West Harbor Drive. Several floors of the structure have been damaged, according to Chopper 8 live reports. Construction workers in the area have been evacuated. Watch News 8 at 5PM for the latest information.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 19, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

the game is going to be played

i just heard on CBS8 that the game is going to be played as scheduled. im glad im taking the coaster tonight cause its going to be a mess

by pads44 on May 19, 2008 3:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Liquor-train!

WOO WOO!

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's a great joke here, I know it.

But I’m failing to come up with anything.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 3:27 PM PDT reply actions  

Explosion

Jake’s Elbow. Work with it.

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on May 19, 2008 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Jake heaves MRI machine from construction site hotel?

Padres Level of Suck reaches magnitude measurable on the Richter scale?

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 19, 2008 4:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Peavy likely headed to DL.

Peavy’s MRI results won’t be known until after tonight’s game, but he is mostly likely going to be shelved for awhile. Also, tonight’s lineup.

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on May 19, 2008 5:37 PM PDT reply actions  

Jon Lester

6 outs away from ANOTHER no hitter from a young Boston pitcher. No Hitter No Hitter No Hitter No Hitter No Hitter No Hitter No Hitter No Hitter, did you hear Lester has a no hitter going?

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on May 19, 2008 6:12 PM PDT reply actions  

3 outs away.

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on May 19, 2008 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Damn

Another no hitter from a young Boston pitcher.

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on May 19, 2008 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

nice try

"We've... we've got lumps of it 'round the back."

by ABY on May 20, 2008 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

the hotel explosion

u can see the line of windows on the floors it happens
good thing no one was killed in that thing
we were forced to leave earlier because of it cuz of the lack of that parking structure next to it :P

"I get tired of hearing ballplayers belly-ache all the time. They should sit in the press box sometime and watch themselves play."

by iLOVEkouz5 on May 19, 2008 11:14 PM PDT reply actions  

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