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Jim Edmonds was a clubhouse cancer

Chicago Sun Times :

And there were whispers he was a clubhouse cancer in San Diego, helping to expedite his exit.

I really wish these whispers were just a little bit louder.  The Gaslamp Ball has really bad hearing and needs to know this information as it's happening, not after he was traded.  All we ever heard about when he was here, was that he was in the best shape of his life during the off season.

Now for the personality issue. When the Padres cut ties with Edmonds over the weekend -- putting the waiver process in motion -- his San Diego teammates nearly applauded. Edmonds' biggest crime was being aloof -- something that won't matter in a tight-knit Cubs clubhouse.

Being aloof is sometimes a considered a crime against humanity.  The Padres have a right to be upset.

In my opinion his biggest crime was a crime against fashion!

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I was just about to post those quotes

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by sdsuaztec4 on May 14, 2008 9:43 AM PDT   0 recs

Edmonds....

Interesting tidbit from the Chicago Sun-Times about Edmonds and his apparent anger at the Cardinals organization for trading him away.

But multiple Cubs sources said the team plans to pursue Edmonds, and one said Edmonds has told his agent to talk to no one before he talks to the Cubs. The Cubs have considered a left-handed bat a need for weeks.

Edmonds was dumped unceremoniously by the St. Louis Cardinals last winter in a trade for minor-league third baseman David Freese and is motivated by the opportunity to help a division rival beat his old team.

by Drama on May 14, 2008 9:52 AM PDT   0 recs

I heard them babbling about something on Scott and BR

as soon as I got up this morning. But the Lady Caswell is playing coy with her information.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 14, 2008 9:57 AM PDT   0 recs

So he goes to the Cubs

desperate to prove something, presses even more, and hits even less, if that’s possible. Also, guess what Edmonds—you are too old and slow to play center that shallow.

by I_Can_Still_Pitch on May 14, 2008 9:57 AM PDT   0 recs

It doesn't surprise, but it irritates me...

...that this is all coming from Chicago media writers. I know that the UT writers and the NC Times writers aren’t top-notch, but how do they not find/report this stuff???

by Winfield's Ghost on May 14, 2008 9:58 AM PDT   0 recs

Especially since all the beat writers

were making no secret of their anger towards this team and they were ripping Edmonds for his performance.

by jbox on May 14, 2008 10:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

Which leads me to believe that they just missed it completely and that would make them America’s most inept journalists.

by Winfield's Ghost on May 14, 2008 10:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Or

Chicago’s media is just digging for some sensationalist news stories and exaggerating and/or making shit up.

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by sdsuaztec4 on May 14, 2008 10:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, that's certainly a possibility

But there’s always been an undercurrent that has traveled with Edmonds that he was a bad clubhouse guy. If you consider the amount of the contract and how fast they gave up on him, I think there’s something to that. And the UT/NCT writers were apparently out eating ice cream while it was happening.

by Winfield's Ghost on May 14, 2008 10:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I also think it has something to do with

the fact that San Diego as a city and the demeanor of the fans don’t really pay that much attention to these types of things as much as a Chicago/New York/Boston team’s fans would. I just feel like its a much bigger story somewhere else than it woud be here.

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by sdsuaztec4 on May 14, 2008 10:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The fans - yes

But it’s inexcusable for journalists to not find/report this stuff, particularly local journalists covering local teams, regardless of how apathetic the fan base is.

by Winfield's Ghost on May 14, 2008 10:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Did you watch the Price is Right today??

Haha it’s on right now here.

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by sdsuaztec4 on May 14, 2008 10:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Drew

he just said that the million dollar prime time special is on tonight at 8! There’s been alot of those lately

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by sdsuaztec4 on May 14, 2008 10:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Do you have any examples?

Those of us Cub fans who have to endure the possibility of Edmunds playing on our team are not all too happy about our management’s decision to even think about pursuing him. But, in light of the fact that we fans don’t get any real say in the decisions, we are stuck with him, likely.

I am curious if you have any specific examples of Edmunds being a clubhouse cancer. I/We would love to hear them. Thanks!

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 14, 2008 10:29 AM PDT   0 recs

This is the first we heard of it

The Chicago Sun Times broke the story today. Right now, we only know what’s in the article.

by jbox on May 14, 2008 10:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha...read above.

How in the hell would we know? We’re basically just finding out about this morning…from writers in Chicago. You’re asking the wrong people.

by Drama on May 14, 2008 10:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I love the dichotomy

jbox and draman said the same EXACT message, yet it came out it two different ways…

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by sdsuaztec4 on May 14, 2008 10:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's why we're such an adorable couple.

I would expect this kind of crap from that rag called the North County Times. But I expect more out of Krasovic at the U-T. Pathetic.

by Drama on May 14, 2008 10:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why does Chicago care?

It’s not like you had to make a trade and eat $6mil of his salary.

by Dalton on May 14, 2008 10:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No

fortunately your organization did that for us :).

We care b/c we have a player already on our team that could easily fill the role that management is bringing in Edmunds to fill, supposedly a lefthanded center fielder with a little power. Edmunds, based on his numbers, has no power and no ability to hit for average or get on base. Plus, he has clearly lost a step defensively, so he is a downgrade over Felix Pie, who Lou refuses to play for some unknown reason.

Just thought I’d ask about specific examples. Didn’t know if there would be any that you all knew about since he was on your team for a few months this season.

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 14, 2008 11:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Edmonds came down with a rare form of on-field cancer called "Juan Pierre"

That’s why he was released—-because he couldn’t cover CF in Petco and he couldnt hit.

I’m not sure his ‘clubhouse cancer’ is really much of a story, in that light. This is a team that had Milton Bradley for half of last year….but there ain’t no clubhouse cancer when you’re slugging five hundo and winning games.

by goose1 on May 14, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's still a minimal risk pickup

And he could well have at least some value at Wrigley, as opposed to Petco.

Or it could be a total disaster. I just realized that I don’t care.

by Dalton on May 14, 2008 12:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's a decent move for the Cubs, I think. What I DON'T want to see...

is him doing well (or decently) at Wrigley and anyone anywhere ever equating that with what he could have been expected to do at Petco if he “picked it up.” Releasing him was the right move….though, Christ, that 6 million hurts…That’s 6 million they could have used to not draft the next Matt Bush.

by goose1 on May 14, 2008 12:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Just look at it the way the us Cards are

The Cubs are getting a too old to be a 5 tool player, now a two hole player. The hole in CF and the lineup.

At least when you watch him try to flag down balls in Petco, it’s a net gain instead of a net loss.

With a line up not missing many holes, it’s nice to see them rush to get one.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 7:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Another thing about this whole deal:
Edmonds’ biggest crime was being aloof—something that won’t matter in a tight-knit Cubs clubhouse.

Does this sentence make any sense at all? I mean, if a guy comes in and acts “aloof”...isn’t that going to be a problem in a “tight-knit” clubhouse? From everything we’ve heard over the last few seasons or so…the Padres themselves have a pretty tight-knit clubhouse…no?

Am I reading this wrong because I’m not as bright as I am pretty?

by Drama on May 14, 2008 10:42 AM PDT   0 recs

No really

I was just thinking the same thing. I don’t get it either.

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by sdsuaztec4 on May 14, 2008 10:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So to be clear

he’s not as bright as he is pretty, right?

by Winfield's Ghost on May 14, 2008 10:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that's really not very bright at all

is it?

"We've... we've got lumps of it 'round the back."

by ABY on May 14, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up   1 recs

That's what I was getting at

Good to know we’re all on the same page.

by Winfield's Ghost on May 14, 2008 11:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmmm...

I guess so.

by Drama on May 14, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

aloofness

definitely a symptom of concussions. If he was released for his aloofness, he should file for disability.

by pjbno4 on May 14, 2008 1:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Can't say I'm surprised...

This team, this city, and this city’s media, are all the types who’d get hush hush on a story like this. Whenever we hear about bad clubhouse guys, it’s always whispers and rumors when they’re on the team, with details and concrete quotes coming once the guy’s left town. And, looking back, it usually corresponds with crappy play. Some teams can ignore it or overcome it, but the heightened sense of expectations don’t exist here like they do in bigger cities, and an abrasive clubhouse guy can really throw guys off their game.

Who knows, maybe this’ll snap the guys out of their collective funk…a 30mph wind blowing out toward left field doesn’t hurt matters either.

Cubs fans are going to have an interesting time with Edmonds…I’m sure they’re salivating at the thought of a former Redbird exacting revenge for them, but if you think Padres fans were impatient with Edmonds, we’re in for a real treat if he ends up struggling there.

Lastly, the first sign a player’s probably not a good fit is when he’s sending text messages to his former team’s broadcast partners while on the DL with his new team, saying he misses everyone and wishes he could be there. That might have been a warning sign we should have spotted, in hindsight.

by California Penal on May 14, 2008 11:34 AM PDT   0 recs

for the record

we really don’t want Edmunds on our team, particularly since he was a former Cardinal, regardless of how he feels about his former team. Plus, I would be very surprised if he doesn’t get booed in his first appearance for the Cubs. We are also discussing maybe throwing back the first homerun he hits at Wrigley (that is if he every hits one).

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 14, 2008 11:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

haha man that'd be great

the whole crowd chanting. “THROW IT BACK! THROW IT BACK!”

by Dex on May 14, 2008 11:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe

at his first AB as a cubbie, everyone at wrigley could simultaneously throw a ball at him from their seats.
Surely, his desperate anti-redbird swing would HAVE to come into contact with one of them?!

"We've... we've got lumps of it 'round the back."

by ABY on May 14, 2008 11:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Tom Krasovic from the U-T

This morning I emailed Tom Krasovic and asked him if the story in the Chicago Sun-Times was an accurate portrayal of what was going on with Edmonds during his time in a Padre uniform. This is the response I got.

“Edmonds marches to his own beat. Clubhouse cancer is flat out wrong.”

by Drama on May 14, 2008 11:49 AM PDT   0 recs

Damn. That means two things...

1) Edmonds just flat out sucked for us
2) We can’t blame our garbage start on a rotten apple

Such a bummer.

By the way, BIG Kras fan. Always liked his work, very consistent and unshaded for someone so close to his subjects.

by California Penal on May 14, 2008 12:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I disagree

I think the cancer rumors are just that…things being drummed up by Chicago sports writers to try and persuade the Cubs ownership not to pick up Edmonds. Yeah, he’s a little goofy and isn’t the most “intense” player…but he does give it his all on the field.

The statement above about him being dumped by the Cardinals is inaccurate as well (just check the gaslamp post when Edmonds was traded). Jimmy ASKED to be traded because he didn’t think LaRussa was going to guarantee him a spot in the lineup every single day, simply because LaRussa said that Edmonds was his #1 guy as long as he produced. Far from being unceremoniously dumped.

Hell, Edmonds even called in to many STL radio programs to detail the exit, because he didn’t want anyone to get the wrong idea about what happened.

If anything, Edmonds was the clubhouse guy that brought people together, especially in 2006 when the Cards weren’t expected to do anything. He was credited with giving the club the spark to push past San Diego initially…then all the way thru the WS.

This is just a case of an aging player that no one really wants, and the overzealous Chicago writers (who have STELLAR reps by the way) who want to put a kibosh on the deal. Shame they have to attack his character.

by thenerdhater on May 14, 2008 12:01 PM PDT   2 recs

If that is true

and it seems to make a lot of sense, that really is too bad.

Can we at least pick on him for his dress sense then?

"We've... we've got lumps of it 'round the back."

by ABY on May 14, 2008 12:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, you can

the guys on the local radio scene that are friends with him always joke around with him on the radio about his lackadaisical attitude…he laughs right along with them. He is very laid back, but in my opinion, that doesn’t mean he’s a lazy player.

Anyway…any time one of the guys brings up his half shirt, he gets super defensive and pissed.

So, criticize his play all you want…he’ll shrug it off to ignorance….but question his fashion…dude is gonna have words with you.

by thenerdhater on May 14, 2008 12:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well said

As a cards fan I wanted to come over and read a bit on this and just wanted to give some props for a well reasoned thought.

That article is borderline absurd, but then again Edmonds has always carried around some bad hangups from the press in his career. Including the correlation of the fact that in his prime he really could get a jump on balls that were one bouncers to most, but made him into a “show boat” with the Angels. Nothing we’ve gotten from him.

But this one you have to consider the source. Out of all of our players, Jimmy is probably one of the more hated, if not the most hated due to an altercation with the big ‘Z’. He’s also equated going there to a AAA club as far as the facilities were concerned (and to be fair, if you’ve looked at the visiting side of Wrigley he may have a point..)

At the end of the day he was thought of to be an opportunity cost to our top AAA prospect. His decline in numbers wasn’t warranting a full spot in a “transition” year. He wanted out remember, which is highly documented and goes against the core of what those quotes say.

Our fans feel as if he’s a stand up guy all in all, though we’re not happy with it either. Most of us hoped he’d retire, we’d sign him to a one game stint and give him a proper send off. He seems to want to go for the ring, and Lou is desperate for a leftie bat. He called the local affiliates in part because he’s wanting to protect his business interests here, which revolve around his name.

All of that being said, I bet as a Cards nation we’d all genuinely agree that we wished Jimmy didn’t have the fall out in performance he did endure with you guys. Always tough to watch someone you enjoyed watching grow old, then to see the collapse he had.

As a side note, we’re enjoying Freese, he’s now in our AAA system over in Memphis. Hitting to a tune of .274/328/.453/.781 with 4 HR

Oh, and please win today, we were enjoying first and would like to get back to that mark. Thanks!

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 6:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Update on Edmonds

This from the Chicago Sun-Times:

All indications are that Jim Edmonds won’t be officially a member of the Cubs until after tonight’s game.
As of early Tuesday afternoon, Edmonds is not in Chicago. But he may be in a Cubs uniform by Thursday’s series finale against the Padres.

by Drama on May 14, 2008 1:34 PM PDT   1 recs

What's the holdup?

Marry him already, Chicago…

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 14, 2008 2:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

we're hoping

he pulls something when they tell him to turn his head and cough.

But he is currently on his way to Chicago for his physical, per our GM on local radio

"Very adroit in the outfield." - Lou, on Dome

by gwood on May 14, 2008 2:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I feel sorry

for your boy Pie.

If Lou is so head strong against him, he may be forever blocked. Him going back to AAA may very well be detrimental in the long haul. He’s one of the few Cubs I’ve followed coming up,and he shows every sign of being a late bloomer.

You have a true 5 tool player there is Lou doesn’t screw the pooch. Us Cards will take him off your hands if you don’t want him.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 6:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Send Pie to San Diego

If they would rather have Edmonds in CF than Pie….just send him to San Diego…Please!

Me fail English? That's unpossible!

by sdsuaztec4 on May 15, 2008 7:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Actually

wanting him for my minor league system aside. he’d make a great fit for you guys.

He’s very quick, strong arm, nice glove. his bat will get better, and while he’s not going to knock 40HR, his base speed will more than compensate.

I use statistics much as a drunken man uses lamp-posts – as support rather than illumination. - Andrew Lang

by AdjustedExpectations on May 15, 2008 7:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The half shirt is growing on me

the more time I spend on this thread, the more I like it.

Especially the nipping that’s going on

by thenerdhater on May 14, 2008 2:40 PM PDT   0 recs

Just the opposite here.

Today’s page has been the ugliest in awhile. From Rod Luck’s Nick Nolte shot to this, I’m glad I have this case of eye bleach handy.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 14, 2008 2:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Edmonds destroyed the Angels' clubhouse

He was not loved by his teammates, he would gloat about how great a game he had even if it was a late-season loss in a close divisional race. His boombox was smashed by a bat during a game and when he walked into the clubhouse after a loss all he could do was scream about WHO HAD DONE THIS even though he was repeatedly told not to blast music after a loss. He showboated opposing pitchers (drawing inside heat to the batters following him) and hot-dogged catches (risking the game) and never once owned up to it nor agreed to be any different when confronted by teammates. And he delayed a surgery decision as a F-U to the team before the 1999 season.

by Rev Halofan on May 16, 2008 2:18 PM PDT   0 recs

Dont forget

all of his illegitimate children. Edmonds makes Steve Garvey look respectable.

by strummer on May 20, 2008 7:37 PM PDT   0 recs

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