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The Padres need an ombudsman and I nominate me.

I say we bring up Chase Headley now. I don't care about no arbitration clock. You know what I think about your arbitration clock? I think you're being a cheap mofo. I don't care about the "pressure" of being asked to rescue the club. If we wait around for the club to be good again before calling him up so that he doesn't feel like he has to "rescue" us, we'll be waiting  a while and we'll be waiting for a time in the future that is pointless. Bring him up now while we care. Bringing him up when nobody cares is basically admitting to everybody that you don't actually use your minor league system for anything but filler.

Ask this kid three times if he wants to be on the big league squad and he'll tell you 8 times yes. Ask this kid if he can handle the pressure of (heaven forbid) San Diego and it's oh so demanding media and positively ruthless fairweather fans who will boo you to no end from the comfort of their living rooms and he'll ask you what you're smoking.

What's the worst thing that happens? We show faith in this kid that he might be able to spark a horrible team? We admit to this kid that bringing him up makes him one of our top 3 hitters by default? Let's say he has two oh-fer days in a row. Of all the guys on the roster who've already done that this season, we've kept 39 of them.

What. Are Padres fans afraid that we're gonna make Chase Headley cry? If he's that big of a baby, I don't want him on the team. Bring him up NOW.

While we're at it, Bring up Antonelli too and quit ragging on P-Mac. So what if people consider him a AAAA guy? I'd rather rebuild a team on AAAA guys than AARP. Anybody over the age of 37 who can't actually perform on the field should be auditioning for coaching positions or they should be wearing straw hats and helping tourists find their seats.

Anyways. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

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I realize that this post seems like I'm calling out a few people

I’m actually calling everybody out. So don’t feel left out.

by Dex on May 10, 2008 1:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You summed up my feelings exactly.

If we keep sucking, when will Chase NOT be under pressure to “save” us?

"If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself." - Bob Dylan

by JollyWaffle on May 10, 2008 1:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

P-Mac

I like your comment about supporting P-Mac. I was at a game and a “Padre fan” bellowed at Colt Morton after a fielding mishap, “You’re not in Double A, Colt.” Uh, yeah. I think he knows that, Mr. Clever. The locker that is the size of a studio apartment is a dead giveaway. This losing streak has brought out the loser in many so-called Padre fans. Support your team through thick and thin. Saying [insert name] sucks ass does not count as cheering.

Go Padres.

by Enzo Hernandez on May 10, 2008 2:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

P.S.

P.S. The next person that calls P-Mac “P-Keg” is going to get punched in the throat. Not because “P-Keg” is offensive, just because it is so stupid.

by Enzo Hernandez on May 10, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

P-Keg

Not because I think its all that funny anymore – it was in spring training – but because I find threats of Internet violence to be a little silly.

by Winfield's Ghost on May 10, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me, Too.

It was a virtual punch in the throat that was threatened; not trying to be an Internet tough guy. Hope your larynx heals quickly!

by Enzo Hernandez on May 10, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

P-Keg

I coined it. Sorry if I offended you, Enzo.

I rag on him because I have higher aspirations for my team than a guy like him in our outfield. AAA? AAAA? I couldn’t care less. He can’t play defense worth a crap and that’s why I have a problem with him.

"You guys look like the last sh*t I took." ~ Morris Buttermaker

by Drama on May 10, 2008 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Form a Line

Lots of guys cannot play D. But not every player gives his all, all the time, like P-Mac. He’s a better hitter than most and I think a full season of regular play in the bigs would reveal that; instead, the cry is for elevating AA players. P-Mac’s a ballplayer; not enough of them around nowadays, regardless of the league in which they play.

by Enzo Hernandez on May 10, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So he can't be be criticized because he tries really hard??

Sorry. That’s bullshit. You think Edmonds wasn’t trying? You think he wanted to go out like that?

I’m not saying he’s a bad guy, or that he doesn’t give 110%. I just think Chase would be an improvement out there.

"You guys look like the last sh*t I took." ~ Morris Buttermaker

by Drama on May 10, 2008 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Different Ideas

To each his own. You can criticize all you want; what ever makes you happy. As for me, I root in a different way. I don’t know how long you’ve been following this club, probably a long time. I’ve endured decades of ineptness so this hiccup isn’t really throwing me off and making me have the urge to criticize players and get all worked up and tell people it is bullshit to think that an “effort” player is fun to root for.

by Enzo Hernandez on May 10, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Word

Agree with the sentiment. But McAnulty is not a major league caliber starting LF.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 10, 2008 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Enzo

I didn’t say it was bullshit to root for an effort player…I just said it was bullshit to say you can’t criticize one. That’s all. Believe me, I wore my ridiculous “dirty” Eric Owens t-shirt.

Like I said before, nothing against him…I just want to see Chase out there.

And I’m not one of those guys that rips a guy just because he’s not some All-Star…I hope my criticisms are fair and on target. When they’re not, I have the entire GLB to tell me I’m an idiot.

"You guys look like the last sh*t I took." ~ Morris Buttermaker

by Drama on May 10, 2008 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop ragging on PMac

I agree with the comments to stop ragging on him. The term P-Keg is just plain rude. I don’t think he’s had any errors this season and has tracked most balls well and made some great plays. Is he perfect? No. Are you perfect every day in your job? I doubt it. Give the guy a chance to show what he can do. He’s had many good ABs where he works the count and gets walked. And yes, the baserunning mistake earlier this year, but Bud Black AND Glenn Hoffman admitted that they sent him, it wasn’t his decision to go. The problems this team has are way beyond PMac and are mostly unrelated to what he does or doesn’t do on the field. Just please don’t call him P-Keg, it’s not nice.

Kelley Dukat

by kdukat on May 12, 2008 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As you already know, I disagree

“If we wait around for the club to be good again before calling him up so that he doesn’t feel like he has to “rescue” us, we’ll be waiting a while and we’ll be waiting for a time in the future that is pointless.”

I’m not advocating to wait around until we’re good again to call him up – we aren’t going to be good again this year. The team has already messed with his head this year once by moving him to LF and then sending him down after he had a good spring and it certainly looked as if it had an effect on him. Bringing him up right now – rather than even two weeks ago – makes it look like a desperate move and whether the pressure is real or not, he is gonna feel it. Wait for another three to four weeks until we are mathematically eliminated and the pressure is off to bring him up. I have no doubt he wants to come up, but he’s not in a position to know what’s best for him long-term. I am the one clearly in that position.

“What’s the worst thing that happens?”

I don’t know. Bud Black destroys him in any number of ways? (I am SO down on Harry right now. He can do nothing right from my position of knowing what is best for the long-term.)

by Winfield's Ghost on May 10, 2008 3:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm cool...

... with the arbitration clock. It’s not being cheap, it’s being responsible. Why pull all your levers now when you know it’s not going to salvage this season. Why jeopardize anything in the future on this embarrassment of a season? Imagine the fire you’d feel if we somehow lost Headley or someone else because we were too hasty with our personnel movement?

I’ve liked PMac the past couple years, pulled for him to break camp with the team, but I have seen enough. Can you really say “Paul McAnulty is gonna get hot” with a straight face?

Called out? I’m honored people don’t just skip my posts. :)

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on May 10, 2008 4:03 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

they called up headley last year, i dont think they’re being cheap. but i agree, sometimes it’s not a big deal to save money. and i don’t think the idea of ‘not bringing him up now while we’re sucking’ means ‘wait til we are good again before bringing him up,’ by any means. They just wanted to get him more experience in the outfield in game and night conditions, and he shouldn’t be called up until we are at least not in such a blah rut. This is as good a time as any to find out what we have in McAnulty and Hairston (even though I disagreed with dumping Edmonds). I’d rather find out about those two when we are 12-24 than when we’re contending.

by mlb22 on May 10, 2008 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Headley needs to be up

But as for the asking a kid if he’s ready 3 times and he says yes 8, that basically has no bearing on whether or not he will succeed in the big leagues. Messing with a guy’s head by calling him up an inopportune times is just shoddy team management. There are dozens of guys in the Padres organization that are much closer to Headley and the current big league atmosphere to make a better judgment that any of us about when to call a kid up. That being said, the numbers point to Headley needing to be called up. He’s hitting AAA pitching. Our LFs have proven they are not starters. The club needs some kind of spark. The fans need a reason to watch. If that means we have to bring up a guy answers questions 2.666667 times the number of times you asked it, then so be it.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 10, 2008 5:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My point being

I don’t think it makes sense to not bring him up “for his own good” or because he somehow wouldn’t be able to handle the pressure.

Personally, I think the minor league baseball system is broken and far too often has an adverse psychological effect on players and fans. It’s a ridiculous set of hoops that these players jump through. These forced 6-7 year contracts are BS and the fact that there’s a guy talented enough to be playing on a big league club but isn’t because of some crazy “clock” rules is a perfectly example of how broken the system is.

by Dex on May 10, 2008 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Minor Leagues are a good thing

Before the farm system the richest teams could basically buy any player they wanted because the guys not good enough for the big leagues had to play somewhere, and these unaffiliated teams would sell their players to the highest bidder. Big league teams play at such a competitive level that they don’t have to time to waste trying to figure out if a guy can hack it at the highest level. What you’d end up with is these fresh faced players being judged on their first few at bats and then tossed. It’s a better system to get guys at bats at lower competitive levels so that teams have time to evaluate and develop guys. I don’t think you’d have a Jake Peavy pitching in the major leagues right now if you didn’t have a farm system that could help develop him. As for the service time stuff, I don’t think teams really care what the guys service time is. If they think he can help the team win ball games now, they will do it. I’m sure there are a few exceptions, but usually it’s with very young guys that may not be mentally ready anyway. You can look at the NBA and see their high school players trying to cut it in the NBA and many of those guys are not emotionally, physically or mentally ready enough to handle the game yet. I think the minor leagues offer more than just developing a baseball player on the field, they also help them develop playing baseball as a career/lifestyle. I have to believe that dramatically altering the minor league system would hurt the competitive level of the major leagues.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 10, 2008 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say they weren't

I’m not saying get rid of the minor leagues, I’m saying it’s a broken system when talent that should be at the major league level isn’t there because a guy is stuck in the minors. It’s real easy to keep the rich teams from buying up the talent. It’s called a salary cap. The rich teams do their best to buy all the talent anyways. Do you honestly believe this isn’t true? Why do you think teams are afraid of the “arbitration clock”? It’s because they know that there is talent that they have that they aren’t willing to pay for.

I also disagree that teams don’t have time to waste to figure out if a guy can play at the highest level. There are 162 games in a season. Develop the scouting. Throw the guys into the fire. Figure out what you’ve got. Most NFL players don’t play in 162 in their entire careers. I’m sure we can figure out a way to get the guys in and seen, even with a limited version of the minor league (basically one where teams can only really have one affiliate club to have a place for their entire 40-man roster). The only reason the minor league system even works the way it does is because of the MLB’s anti-trust exemption.

And there are plenty of players who’ve done well in the NBA coming straight out of high school. Some guys are just more mature than others. The minor leagues by themselves aren’t going to help the maturation process. There’s still plenty of traveling and drinking and bad influence in small towns when one isn’t get paid as there is in big cities when one is.

by Dex on May 11, 2008 3:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree to disagree

Sure the rich teams buy a lot of the talent, but at least the other teams get a shot by having a system where they can develop their own, Sure a salay carp makes a lot of sense, but that’s a pipe dream. There are too many rich teams and a rich player’s union that won’t agree to it. Currently, most of the problems with teams trying to pay their player’s is that there is this idea out there of that these players want 5-10 year contract and they want them at a time where most of the deal will be outside of their prime years. These types of deals are team killers for a smaller revenue clubs and even the richer clubs have a lot of trouble dealing with these contracts. If the expectation of these deals were changed, I think you would see the smaller revenue clubs better able to compete for their free agents.

Sure there are 162 games in a season, but unless you play a guy everyday you won’t be able to determine what skills he has, what his weaknesses are, and how he might develop. Even if you quadrupled the scouting resources you still wouldn’t have the close up relationship of allowing your employees to work with these players and see them on an everyday basis that you get with the minor leagues. In the NFL this is different. You only play once a week and you get to see your guys in practices on a daily basis where everybody gets to get their work in. In baseball they play games that count every day and when millions of dollars are on the line, you don’t want to use a roster spot on somebody you don’t feel comfortable playing or worse someone that isn’t there yet, but you feel you need to play everyday. For the most part I’m talking about hitters, since pitchers - because of their injury - almost seem better off rushing to the majors to get the most out of their abilities before something happens, but even still there are plenty of pitcher that have deficiencies they need to work on before they take up time in the big leagues.

My point with the NBA is that even though there are elite high schoolers that make it there are others that just aren’t ready to deal with the wealth their new money brings or the pressures of trying to make an impression with the team. I think the NBA would be improved a lot by a minor system since the kids coming out nowadays don’t learn all the skills they need to become better NBA players and the overall skill level of the league has suffered (with the exception of the internationalization of the game). I know that there are ways a player can get into trouble in the minors, but once again you have your employees keep an eye on them everyday and working with them to try to increase the maturity level (if that’s possible) or more importantly trying to get them to improve their work ethic to be of major league quality. At the very least they can report on maturity problems of a player so you can weed the bad makeup guys out before they cost the major league team anything more than a signing bonus.

I think the overall thing you might be missing with criticizing the “hoops” these players go through is that the “hoops” are more than just the numbers on the field. Teams want to see guys improving their skills. When they are drafted the teams come up with plans on how they want to develop players based on what their scouts saw before the draft and in the rookie camps. Getting promoting through the minors is not just about hitting .300 in Fort Wayne, striking out 10 per 9 in Lake Elsinore, bashing 30 HRs at San Antonio or posting a sub 2.00 ERA in Portland.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 11, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My one original point

...Can be summed up in two parts:
1. I believe the reserve clause is BS and if it wasn’t in place, the overall quality of competition would not be hurt one iota.
2. The idea that players need time in the minor leagues is part of the scam that the owners perpetuate to make people believe that the reserve clause helps everybody when it actually just helps the owners.

The part of my point you’re missing is this: If given a chance, there would be, without a doubt, a major league team willing to pay Chase Headley to play for them right now, but he, and lots of other perfectly capable minor leaguers, are stuck because of this “system” that the owners want everyone to believe is needed for the survival of baseball.

by Dex on May 11, 2008 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess my only argument

Is that Chase Headley only got to the point of being a commodity major league teams wanted by playing the minor leagues. He was not a first round and he was not even a highly regarded pick for his round. He was a patient hitter with so-so defense abilities and scouts were unsure of his power. The Padres have helped hone his defensive and offensive prowess to the point where after 2-3 years in the minors he’s finally cracked some top prospect lists. This sort of development is what is going to get Chase a chance a the big leagues. Without that system in place, such as one similar to the NBA, I don’t think he would have ever made the major leagues. I think its safe to say the same for a guy like Peavy, probably Chris Young, definitely Trevor Hoffman and a host of other players who were never seen as having elite talent until they worked their way through the minors.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on May 11, 2008 7:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree with you

We’re just talking on different sides of the same coin. A minor league system would still thrive and most guys would get culled out of it, but it would be made up of more independent ballclubs. Players would work their way through those independent systems and some limited form of integrated minors (one “AAA” level ballclub per team to handle the rest of the 40 man roster). More players would opt for college rather than get drafted out of high school. Some teams would take to barnstorming rather than formalized leagues, challenging the local pros. Other teams would participate in organized professional tournaments. Still others would take their barnstorming to challenge professional teams in other countries. From all of these places, the Major Leagues would watch carefully and buy away the talent they need.

It’s a baseball utopia I’m telling you!

by Dex on May 12, 2008 5:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Messing with a young player's head

My guess is that there’s very little evidence to support the notion that bringing up a player too fast through the system will have an adverse psychological effect on the player… Or, at least I’ve never seen any (and I’m too lazy to do the research myself). Specifically, I doubt that anyone has tested the criteria used to determine whether a player is ready for the majors, or the time-table itself.

With regards to pitchers, FJM has a great article knocking down some of these traditional beliefs (as well as noted hot-head Buzz Bissinger).

"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG

by TheGrandHatching on May 11, 2008 10:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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