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Baseball Strategy: Runner on first. No outs. Tie ballgame.

I just thought I'd carry you through my thinking as to why I would've let Bard try to get on base yesterday instead of sac bunting Hairston in the 7th. You're totally welcome to disagree with me. I ain't no baseball manager, but I love working through strategy.

First off, I look at the fact that a single run in the 7th is not going to win the game. If this were the bottom of the 9th inning and scoring that one run guarantees a victory, then my thinking changes. The only "clock" you have is the 27 outs you begin the game with. A sac bunt that doesn't guarantee a victory is like trying to kill the clock in the 3rd quarter of a football game. The fact that it's only the 7th is probably the biggest thing to me that makes me dislike the bunt here.

Bored yet? There's more after the jump!

The next big thing is the fact that the runner is on first base and after sacrificing him over, we'll still need an actual hit to score him. If the runner is already on second thanks to a double instead of a single or perhaps a stolen base early in the next at-bat, I like a sac bunt a little bit more because the thinking then is that our pinch hitter only needs to get the ball out of the infield to score Hairston.

Digging a little bit deeper into the context of the situation, Hairston walked on 9 pitches including 3 foul balls. What that tells me is that the pitcher may not be locating his spots, but he's near the strikezone. Given that, the fact that Hairston has some speed, and the fact that Bard is more of a groundball hitter with a respectable batting average, I give very strong consideration to a hit-and-run. After Proctor falls behind early with a first pitch ball to Bard, the hit-and-run becomes extra savory.

Along with those ideas, I like thinking about my probable outcomes and best and worst case scenarious. Sure, a sac bunt has a decent chance of being successful in that situation, but where does it get us? A tie game with a runner on second base and one out. By some counts, we actually lowered our win expectancy by 2% by sac bunting.

With a runner on second, and one out, what are the next situations that could happen? Best case for the Padres is obviously some sort of base hit to score Hairston, but the Dodgers have a base open. A walk isn't so bad as it sets up a double play starting at second base or third base. Any sort of "productive" out that Tony Clark happens upon (fly ball or groundout) at best puts Hairston on third, but with two outs. So what's the incentive to really go after Tony Clark?

What about a hit-and-run? Worst case scenario is a double-play, which we're trying to mitigate by putting the runner in motion. Best case scenario is extra bases to score one or two runs. Our in-between scenarios include:

  • Runners on first and third with no outs.
  • Kouz getting a base hit or walk, and Hairston advances to second. Runners on first and second with no outs.
  • Kouz hitting into a FC and making it to first (somewhat unlikely given that Hairston would be put in motion on the hit-and-run)
  • Kouz hitting into a FC leaving Hairston on second (same as the sac bunt situation)

So given our situation and our likely scenarios, I personally really like the hit-and-run call. Sure, our worst case scenario is better with the sac bunt (1 out, runner on first vs a double play), but the best case scenario is miles better with the hit-and-run play (1 or 2 runs with nobody out vs runner on second with 1 out). Additionally, the in-between scenarios with the hit-and-run include several that aren't really that bad and include the sac bunt's best case.

We could try to assign a best guess probability to each situation and run a probability analysis, but based on gut and knowing that a runner on second with 1 out almost always gives a lower win expectancy than a runner on first with no outs, I like the move that doesn't, at best, guarantee that we're less likely to win.

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I love this kind of dialogue...

And I promise a point-by-point rebuttal when my classes end in a couple of hours.

In the meantime... congratulations on being linked to Deadspin. Wooo!

Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

by JBRO on Apr 7, 2008 8:47 AM PDT   0 recs

Buddy

by putting on the sac, I think he was pretty much showing his confidence in the bullpen to protect a 1 run lead for 2 Innings, which obviously we can't even do for one inning.

...the man who isn't a pessimist is a damned fool.-Mark Twain

by sdsuaztec4 on Apr 7, 2008 9:26 AM PDT   0 recs

you're probably right

I wouldn't mind trying to bank on a 1 run lead normally, but my problem with the sac bunt is that it doesn't really help you even get that 1 run.

by Dex on Apr 7, 2008 9:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well

I don't know if I would have Hit and Run if I was the manager, but I do know that I sure as hell wouldn't have bunted. Runners on 1rst and Second and nobody out...I'm bunting nearly 100% of the time. I would have hoped Bard gets on via walk (Hairston just walked) or hit. Then brought in Maddux or another good bunter to get second and third with 1 out. That way a hit scores two and flyouts (Giles and Iguchi) at least give you the lead.

...the man who isn't a pessimist is a damned fool.-Mark Twain

by sdsuaztec4 on Apr 7, 2008 9:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

*SNIFF* I love the smell of analytical baseball conversation in the morning!

I agree with you, Dex, though not quite for the scientific reasons you trotted out that I took political science classes in college to avoid...

Without delving into the bowels of Retrosheet (linked for the people who don't know that incredible site), I can say with confidence that the Padres have a problem with advancing runners around the bases when that player starts on first as opposed to second or third. While we do score a majority of our runs on station-to-station hitting, there's no doubt that we strand a significant number of runners compared to other teams *once* we've pushed at least one run across. Anecdotally, it certainly seems we have much fewer multi-run/non-HR innings (aka station-to-station runs) than other teams, which can be attributed to a number of things (lack of 1st > 3rd speed, for example).

Applying those lines of logic to Sunday's 7th inning, it begs to reason that we should not have burned an out in getting a runner over to second, and instead should have taken our chances (not to say it was a long shot, by any means) with three of the next four hitters following Hairston being contact-type hitters.

If the sac bunt is your call, okay, but following that it's assumed you'll be bringing up a guy to the plate who's adept at doing one of two things:
1) sending a ball to the right side via grounder or sac fly, and rolling the dice with a two-out, runner on third situation
or
2) smacking a single into the outfield

Unfortunately, Tony Clark doesn't really possess those abilities when batting from the right side -- which isn't to say he does when batting from the left -- so not only do you burn an out on the bunt, but you're also banking on rather high odds that Clark sends one into a gap, or parks one altogether. Against the LA middle relief corps, that's much easier said than done. Alas, he was walked, as the Dodgers had no real reason to pitch to him. Force goes back on, and the next two hitters are singles-type hitters who increase the odds of GIDP. If the Dodgers did try to challenge him, though, Buddy's logic doesn't follow.

It's then left to Giles and Iguchi, theoretically decent guys to have at the plate. Their lack of execution is more of a macro-level problem than we're analyzing here, though allowing Bard to swing away definitely improves their chances of getting a sac fly out of Clark/Giles/Iguchi...for a team that struggles with scoring runs, it seems illogical to burn an out when it only gets a runner to second.

by California Penal on Apr 7, 2008 9:48 AM PDT   0 recs

we touched on the same things

One of the main things I wanted to point out is the fact that I'm not sure what the next play is supposed to be after getting the runner on second with one out. Obviously, the Dodgers don't really need to give Tony Clark much to hit, so expecting a scoring play with his AB doesn't seem likely.

In either scenario, you're really counting on Giles and Iguchi to come through. I just think with a H&R, there are more potential positives.

by Dex on Apr 7, 2008 9:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also,

I think you could make a fairly decent argument that much of the blame falls on the shoulders of Giles and Iguchi. A single or walk from one of them, and a sac fly from the other gives us a lead. Granted, as a manager your job is to make decisions that give each and every batter the best possible chance for them to succeed, but like I said in the gameday thread, Buddy can't swing the bats (and as a pitcher I firmly believe we don't want him to :D). Giles took a hack on the first pitch, something I was very disappointed to see for a guy with his plate discipline. A fresh reliever in the game, with runners on and only one out, why not take a pitch or two and see if the guy's got his control? Iguchi at least saw three pitches before taking his first swing.

Just focusing on the Bard at bat, however, there's no question LA wanted to force the GIDP, with a strikeout being their second preference and a sac bunt being third...I'd like to see more aggression in our offense, trying to provide a positive result for our team instead of trying to give the opponent their least preferred positive result. Our pitching's our strength, and we need to use our offense out there like a weapon instead of a complement to the defense.

by California Penal on Apr 7, 2008 10:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Giles' swing on first pitch

.342/.345/.646 in 974 PAs. If he has at least one strike on him his numbers are worse (unless there are 3 balls). So if the first pitch is a strike, I'm okay with him swinging at it.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Apr 7, 2008 10:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know Giles is a great first-pitch hitter

Though it seems that he'd have been wise to see if the fresh pitcher was going to have his control or not in that situation. In a bases-empty situation, I have no objections to that approach, though I'd argue that Giles seeing more than one pitch was, in the overall trajectory of that half inning, in the better interest of the team.

As an aside, I'm very interested in the psychology of why Giles is a better first-pitch hitter than other players. Most players have better stats deeper into the count, no?

by California Penal on Apr 7, 2008 11:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bunting

Once again I'll recommend "The Book: Playing the Percentages in Baseball" by Tom M. Tango, Mitchel Lichtman, and Andrew Dolphin. It covers the bunt strategy in complete detail. Basically, bunting with Bard in that scenario is bad. Typically bunting is only useful if there is a reasonable chance you may end up with a hit or the batter is very weak. Bard is neither a weak hitter or has a decent chance of beating out the bunt. In fact one would argue he is slow enough that a double play is even more likely on a bunt than a base hit.

Another important element to bunting is that is needs to be a surprise. If the defense is expecting a bunt then it is almost never a good idea to bunt. I believe Bard showed bunt once before bunting most likely making the defense expect a bunt. If the defense is now expecting a bunt not only is it a guaranteed out and a chance of a double play, but hitting away has a better chance of succeeding.

Also, I'm still waiting for Meredith or Bell to come in the seventh inning of Friday's game with the bases loaded, the scored tied and Thatcher struggling.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Apr 7, 2008 10:29 AM PDT   1 recs

Can Bard Bunt?

I'm not a Padres fan, so that's a serious question -- is he a decent bunter? Since Bard's not fast, I hardly think a bunt is the right move, as there's almost no chance Bard might get on base -- and that's what you're really hoping for in that situation. A successful sacrifice is merely a decent plan B for laying down the bunt.

Who was the runner on base? Might be worth attempting a straight steal.

Even with two .300 hitters coming up, there's merely a 50% chance they knock in the runner. And one run still might not win the game. If Bard's a double-play threat, that's a point in the bunt's favor.

by skyking162 on Apr 7, 2008 11:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Bard's an average bunter

Though I seriously doubt there was any plan by either Buddy Black or Josh Bard to bunt for a hit there. He's got catcher speed, and you're not really hoping he gets on base, you're hoping he gets the bunt down and the runner over -- some would argue him getting on would be a negative there, as it keeps the force on with a slow runner bringing up the rear. Heck, if Tony Clark follows and hits a hot grounder to third, the Bard/Clark speed combination could result in a natural 5-4-3 triple play.

by California Penal on Apr 7, 2008 11:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yes, but...

the team should always be hoping to get the batter on base.

by Dex on Apr 7, 2008 11:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Completely agree.

That's actually why I said "some would argue" -- I'm definitely not in that school of thought, but I've heard that logic offered up by people in the past who think a team, in a tight game, should focus every effort on the lead runner, attempting not to inhibit his progression around the bases...including putting him in force out situations. I know it's crazy, and I always lump it in with the "bat your power hitters 1-3 in the order," "use your closer/middle relief first and end the game with your starter," and "bat the pitcher 7th" theories, but it's an idea that's been given a voice before.

by California Penal on Apr 7, 2008 11:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My point is

If there is no chance at a hit with the bunt, and the batter is a decent hitter (i.e. not the pitcher or Brian Bocock), then the bunt play is not worthwhile because it has too high of a risk of resulting in an out.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Apr 7, 2008 11:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's not a risk

when it is a sacrifice bunt... it is a guarantee. You are bunting with the understanding that you are trading an out for a runner advancing

Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

by JBRO on Apr 7, 2008 11:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

And if it is guaranteed to be an out, and the hitter is decent and the defense is playing bunt, then it is a bad idea because it will result in less runs.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Apr 7, 2008 12:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Exactly

1) Buddy calls for a sac bunt
2) Bard receives the sign
3) Bard takes a look at the infield positioning, as every batter should have been taught since high school
4) Bard can either:
a. show bunt and pull back if the infield is playing for bunt
b. show bunt and pull back if the infield is back but the pitch is a ball
c. show bunt and lay one down if the infield is back and the pitch is a strike

If the infield is playing bunt, you don't lay it down. The bunt is always a bad call if the defense is waiting for it.

Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

by JBRO on Apr 7, 2008 12:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

agree

And to touch on the point I made in the post, as soon as the count went 1-0, there should have been even more incentive to let Bard try to work the count after he had shown bunt.

by Dex on Apr 7, 2008 12:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think you kinda just proved everyone else's argument...

The Dodgers were definitely expecting a bunt, both before and after the first pitch thrown to Bard. For that, as well as the statistical evidence laid out here, it would have made more sense to swing away.

by California Penal on Apr 7, 2008 12:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Then you show bunt on the first pitch, get the defense thinking, and hit-and-run on the next pitch!

Understand that the bunt sign is not a mandate to the batter to bunt no matter what (except in the case of a suicide squeeze, in which case the batter must get the ball in play). If he sees something he does not like whether it is the pitch itself or the alignment of the defense, he pulls it back, and you fight another battle on the next pitcj

Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

by JBRO on Apr 7, 2008 12:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

*pitch.

Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

by JBRO on Apr 7, 2008 12:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Don't Make That Trade

The Win Expectancy tables show that very few sacrifices are smart, because the change in WE is negative. But that ignores the fact that a decent percentage of sacrifice attempts result in the runner reaching base via a hit or error. And if you include those cases (1st and 2st with no outs), many sac-is-bad situations become sac-attempt-is-good situations.

Dex quoted a negative 2% change in WE in this specific situation. That seems very small to me, so small that attempting a bunt with a good bunter/fast runner might be the better move. But with Bard, not so much.

There's a good quote from The Book (and I'm paraphrasing): If the other team offers to give up an out in exchange for another base, you should take that deal instantly.

by skyking162 on Apr 7, 2008 12:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Another rudimentary way to look at that is...

A runner on 1st needs 3 bases to score, and the defense needs 3 outs to stop him from scoring.

Given that the league-wide OBP is below .500, the defense has better odds of receiving an out from each batter than the batter in some way extending the inning. If you had a coin, and on one side was "out' and the other side was "advance runner," and that coin was flipped 6 times, more often than not "out" would come up, and 3 outs would be achieved before 3 bases. I'm sure Wonko's got stats to back this up, and I apologize for replying without them myself, but the numbers are definitely there and definitely show this to be the case.

by California Penal on Apr 7, 2008 12:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This is partially flawed because

a single will more often than not score a major league runner from second if it is struck fairly well and the runner is paying attention. Most batters get on base via hits more often than they do via walks. Using your coin example, the "advance runner" side of the coin would have to show up maybe two times (assuming a single and a walk as a common scenario) before the the "out" side would appear three times.

Using the coin example in conjunction with the sacrifice bunt example, the "advance runner" side would have to appear once on a single before two "outs" appeared. Again assuming a single and a walk, the "advance runner" side would have to appear twice before the "out" side appeared twice, which is a virtual toss-up.

Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

by JBRO on Apr 7, 2008 12:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also...

You're ignoring any potential runs past the first. In the ninth inning, you only care about one run. But in the seventh, every additional run is a good thing, even if the first is most important. Top of the 8th up 1 has a WE of 75%. Up 2 is at least 85%.

Also, with whatever coin you have, flipping two "outs" before two "advances" is also likely, although more likely than 3/3. But as JBRO pointed out, multiple bases (HR, first to third, second to home) are a strong possibility.

by skyking162 on Apr 7, 2008 12:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree with this statement.

I feel that the decision to sac bunt goes back to the issue of trusting the bully with a one-run lead. The onus is on the following hitters to execute and drive in the run after the bunter sets it up, and that time, it just did not work out. I think the 1-2 hitters in the order should have been showing a little bit more plate discipline in that situation than Giles-Iguchi did.

Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

by JBRO on Apr 7, 2008 12:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the WE change

was more due to the fact that after the sacrifice, the Padres had 8 outs remaining in the game as opposed to 9 outs before the sacrifice. I don't think the powers-that-be behind the WE formula dislike the sacrifice bunt.

Again, with the sacrifice bunt, you are putting confidence in the next few batters to get the job done and score the runner with a base hit (in this case, Clark-Giles-Iguchi). Giles and Iguchi both had terrible AB's and popped up- and I think that had either one of those two come through with an RBI single, we would be singing Buddy's praises right now for calling the sac bunt.

Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

by JBRO on Apr 7, 2008 12:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha the very first thing I said was that I would "respectfully disagree"

Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

by JBRO on Apr 7, 2008 1:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I love being part of a community that fosters discussion like this.

Because I damn sure don't get my Padre baseball fix otherwise- I am behind enemy lines in Dodgers and Angels country.

Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

by JBRO on Apr 7, 2008 1:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It looks like I am way outnumbered.

Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

by JBRO on Apr 7, 2008 11:09 AM PDT   0 recs

haha

just make your point! i'll ban anybody who yells at you.

MAKE YOUR POINT!

by Dex on Apr 7, 2008 11:14 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My line of thinking follows that by sacrifice bunting and playing for one run, you are trusting one hitter to come through with a base hit and you are trusting your bullpen with a one-run lead. I don't think the 7th inning is too early for this line of strategy- as we should be able to place faith in an 8th-inning setup reliever and a 9th-inning closer (although our bullpen has been shaky of late, I still have confidence that if Buddy manages the bully the right way, we should have no problems protecting leads).

Also, this would manufacture a run with (mostly) the bottom of our order and still give our 3-4-5-6 guys a chance to swing away and add more runs in the bottom of the 8th. I believe that playing for one run with the sacrifice in the 7th and giving our middle-of-the-order hitters another shot at adding more in the next inning is a solid strategy.

As Dex pointed out, Bard does have a tendency to put the ball on the ground. A hit-and-run with a ground ball hitter will more than likely end up accomplishing exactly the same thing as a sacrifice bunt- a runner standing on second with a putout at first. I agree with either a hit-and-run or a sacrifice bunt in this situation. However, the hit-and-run has its downsides as well as its upsides- depending on placement, a well-struck line drive could end up as a base hit or it could end up getting the runner doubled off first if the line drive is playable by the infield. The sacrifice bunt, in my opinion, is a safer bet to move successfully move the runner up.

Therefore, I place blame on Giles-Iguchi for not coming through and driving in a run or even getting on base. Bard did his job by laying down a successful sacrifice. Clark did his job by getting on base (although, as CA Penal pointed out, the Dodgers may have unintentionally intentionally walked Clark to reset the chance for a GIDP or a forceout. Regardless of how he got on base, though, that gives the top of our lineup a shot at driving in a run). I have no problem rolling the dice with the 1-2 hitters in our lineup to get one base hit; for that strategy to pay off, though, they need to work the count a little bit and find a pitch to hit hard, and not swing at something early in the count that they are going to pop up, as both Giles and Iguchi did.

Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

by JBRO on Apr 7, 2008 11:32 AM PDT   0 recs

I don't have these numbers handy, though I'm almost positive that if you took the B7 scenario, and looked what happened in baseball the last, say, 100 times a runner was on first with nobody out in a tie game, I'm pretty sure that the average number of total bases reached by the runner by the end of the inning is greater when the next hitter swings away as opposed to bunting. I think that's what Wonko's statistics are talking about, if my memory serves me correctly.

by California Penal on Apr 7, 2008 11:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Unfortunately

In the long run the numbers say that this strategy will be unsuccessful. If Bard hits away there is small chance that he hits into a double play, of course there is a fairly large chance the runner does not advance and a decent chance he gets a hit or walk that advances the runner. And, of course it increases the opportunity to advance the runner without giving up the out. But with the bunt there is basically no chance at a hit advancing the runner, so you are giving up an out, possibly two because the double play is more likely on a bunt attempt with a slow runner and the defense playing bunt. So you increase your chances of a double play, increase your chances of an out, and decrease the chances of advancing the runner and having him score (due to the there most likely being more outs).

It's hard too explain all this without specific numbers, but it comes down to that the bunt is a slightly less productive move.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Apr 7, 2008 11:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trading a base for a out is usually a losing strategy.

According to Sabermetrics, chances of getting a run actually go down when you do that. This doesn't take into account the personel involved - but Bard is not the prototypical bunter and doesn't do it a lot. In fact he lead the league with .406 average with runners in scoring position last year. This is the guy you want hitting away in this situation. A bunt call baffles me. Again, this doesn't take into account the speed and agility of the Dodgers infield, which is considerable.

The Pads actually have good hitters this year. Let 'em swing away.

by planetjeffy on Apr 7, 2008 12:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"Small," "Fairly large", and "decent" are arbitrary quantities

and you will need numbers to shut me up on this one.

Because Bard is by nature a ground-ball-influenced hitter, I would say that there is better than a "small" chance that he will GIDP if the runner is not in motion.

Secondly, if the bunter is halfway competent AND the runner does his job and gets a good read on the bunt and a good jump off of first, I would bet a lot of money that the probability of a bunt being turned into for a double play ball is smaller than the probability of a GIDP. The speed of the bunter is irrelevant if the runner on first gets a good jump and the defense realizes that they have no play at second.

Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

by JBRO on Apr 7, 2008 12:13 PM PDT   1 recs

Dammit

this was supposed to be a reply to Wonko's reply to my long ass comment

Charlie, here comes the deuce. And when you speak of me, speak well.

by JBRO on Apr 7, 2008 12:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Excellent point. When there's a decision like this that isn't clear cut and one strategy is likely only a small advantage, intuition and estimates shouldn't convince anyone. The numbers need to be run.

But at least people are coming up with all the factors that need to be considered. It's not an easy decision.

by skyking162 on Apr 7, 2008 12:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think we're all too lazy/inept to provide these numbers that many of us have seen before :)

I realize that partially damages our arguments, but I'm better at reading numbers and remembering the impact of their summary than remembering the numbers themselves, or how to acquire them.

by California Penal on Apr 7, 2008 12:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the numbers

I know the numbers are pretty straightforward, but I just thought I'd go through a little more context for the situation. I think that, even not knowing the numbers, Buddy could've/should've gone through similar reasoning and avoided the sac bunt.

by Dex on Apr 7, 2008 12:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Numbers

I'm at work so I can't give you the numbers. I can post them when I get back home and find "The Book". But, I just read the chapter so I am fairly familiar with the standard rules for bunting. Also, the manager would never have access to all the numbers all the time, so it is best to take lessons learned from statistics and apply basic rules. In the situation we are talking about almost every basic rule for bunting was absent thus truly making the bunt a bad decision.

And, I'm still waiting for Meredith or Bell to come in the seventh inning of Friday's game with the bases loaded, the scored tied and Thatcher struggling.

I don't have to always be right. I just have to always think I'm right.

by Wonko on Apr 7, 2008 2:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Love This New Software

Totally off-topic, but I love the new SBNation software. The z-shortcut, auto-refresh, and ability to hype good comments is great. What is the result of recommending comments, by the way? Do they change color given enough votes? Do those commenters get priority in other threads?

by skyking162 on Apr 7, 2008 12:14 PM PDT   0 recs

the comment gets lit up with a nice big asterisk

we need to get more people involved in recommending the comments, me included. Being able to skim through a thread and see the winners is really nice. I'm not sure what else happens, but being lit up is the big one.

by Dex on Apr 7, 2008 12:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How many recs before the asterisk appears?

by skyking162 on Apr 7, 2008 12:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No

Don't drop it.

For once, I think GLB should refuse to lower its standards.

by Winfield's Ghost on Apr 7, 2008 1:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I know that I am late to the party

and nobody may read this, but I pretty much agree with JBRO on this one. In general, yes, sac bunting is not a very good strategy over the long run. I think The Book is being taken too much as gospel here without regards to the particular situation. This wasn't the first inning in Philly. It was a neutral park, against a great pitching staff, in the seventh inning. The value of a single run is much higher in that situation than the early innings in a high scoring ballpark. Let's look at what would be needed to score a run in this situation. Last season, Dodger's Stadium suppressed doubles (.908), and triples (.583...ouch), while inflating singles (1.026) and Homeruns (1.052). With a man on first, it is most likely going to take two hits to score the run, or a hit with the runner on first going to third, and a sac fly. Tough odds. So we lay down a successful sacrifice. You now have a runner on second with one out, who has a good chance of scoring on a hit. What is more likely to happen, two singles or one single (I know it isn't that simple)? I don't know, but getting one single before getting two outs seems like it would be more likely than getting two singles before three outs. I could be wrong, but one quick point here, a man on second with one out scores more often than a man on first with one out. Only a small increased chance, but an increased chance nonetheless. Giving up an out to move the guy over doesn't decrease his chance of scoring, it decreases the teams chance of scoring multiple runs. That said, with Bard up, I don't think a hit and run would have been a bad option. Bard makes contact at a ridiculous rate. Bard also grounded into 16 doubleplays last year. Hmmmm....

Now, while the book says that sac bunting is usually counterproductive, doesn't it also say that intentionally walking a guy to set up the double play is also generally counter-productive? So if we lay down the sac bunt, we either have man on 2nd with one out, or , with the intentional walk to set up the double play, a man on 1st and 2nd with one out. Both situations are an improvement over no outs, runner on first. Again, not much of an improvement, but still an improvement.

I know one run doesn't guarantee a win, but I don't see how it could decrease your chances of winning. Basically Black made a decision to try and get the one run, at the expense of a lowered chance of scoring multiple runs. Was it the best decision? I am honestly not sure, but I would take my chances with the top of my order with one out and men on first and second. Was it a bad decision? I don't think so at all.

by osbug on Apr 9, 2008 9:15 AM PDT   0 recs

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