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Frequent Friar Rewards Scam

I'm sure all of you read the opening day post by jbox, and his take on the demise of the old Compadres Club and launch of the Frequent Friar Rewards Club

Just prior to posting that story, jbox and I met for lunch at DZ Akins (a fine jewish deli with the best chopped liver on rye and matzo ball soup).  After he told me the story of how his old Compadres card of 10+ years was worthless, and how the Padres tried to sign him up for their new rewards club for $10, I just about spit up my brisket and pickle all over Ted Leitner's likeness. 

Is it just me, or is this new program insulting on so many levels?  After carefully reading through the new program rules, I quickly realized that the Padres have eliminated an excellent socialist-esque program for one that promotes a capitalist system of rewarding the fans that spend the most money on tickets with the Padres, and not necessarily those that attend the most games...  there is a difference in these two demographics, so let's explore that idea.  Considering the general economic sentiment in this country is growing more negative, you would think that a multi-million dollar organization would be sensitive to the fact that the "average fan" is stretching their dollar even further to enjoy a baseball game. 

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    It is good news for all fans and the best part is that each program is tailored to its specific audience, said Overton (Padres Executive Vice President for Business Operations).

    Season Ticket Holders are the lifeblood of the Padres and we’re rewarding them for their investment. Similarly, the Frequent Friar Rewards Club rewards Friar Faithful for their ticket purchases.

I understand why the Padres would value season ticket holders above the rest, and offering them a free exclusive Compadres Program for those that commit their money in advance.   What I don't understand is why you would not offer a similar free program for those that purchase single-game seats.    I get the rationale for differentiating the spending levels of fans, but I don't get why we must eliminate a program that recognized the attendance frequency of fans.  

Under the new Frequent Friar Rewards Club, I could attend a single game this season and spend $250 to sit behind home plate in order to receive an award to watch batting practice on the field.  But, in order for jbox to get the same reward, he would need to attend ~25 games if he typically spends $10/ticket.    You're probably thinking that both kev and jbox spend $250 in tickets, so the reward is equal.   What this program doesn't take into account is the other part of one's spending habits while in attendance (i.e. food, drinks, souvenirs, programs, etc).   Maybe someone can confirm this for us at GLB, but it seems that one of the main goals of this new program is to tap into the spending habits of their fans.  If this is true, and they want to truly reward the amount us fans spend at  a game, then why not expand the program to include everything we purchase while in attendance and not just the tickets?  And what about fans that attend because they were given free tickets from a friend or company?  Are they not considered to be Friar Faithful just because they didn't pay for their tickets?

The other part of this program that is disappointing is that the points are only cumulative over a season, and do not carry over from year to year.   In other words, to all of you Compadre members of 10+ years ( we mean you, jbox)... sorry.   The entire program reminds me so much of frequent flyer programs.   Except that most frequent flyer programs are free to join and are based on how frequently you fly and not how much money you spend.  There is a difference there, and not necessarily a direct correlation.  In other words, the Frequent Friar Rewards Club is a scam.   Unless I'm missing something, this program places less value on frequency, and has everything to do with incentivizing fans to spend more per ticket

I certainly don't claim to be an expert on the subject of customer loyalty programs and which criteria are most important.  There are tons of marketing reports out there on this very topic. I'm also guessing it's a complex process for a business to leverage the buying power of all their customers through incentive-based rewards without discriminating certain groups of customers.   To me, the idea of loyalty is not only an economic connection, but an emotional connection with a business or product.  

The Padres organization really missed the mark on the launch of the Frequent Friar Rewards Club.  Not only is their timing bad, but the program itself is flawed.   They have devalued and insulted the fans, and I intend to respond accordingly by letting every Padres employee that I meet aware of my extreme discontent.   I have requested an emergency meeting for the GLB Board of Directors to address this issue, and we will inform this community of our decision to take the appropriate actions.  

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I've just

been offering to buy tickets for my friends, then they can pay me back.

by sacpadre on Apr 4, 2008 8:37 AM PDT   0 recs

See?

That's part of what makes this broken. By my count, scalpers are gonna be getting a great deal on autographed bats and passes to clubhouse tours, which they can just sell more to stick it to the real fans.

by Dex on Apr 4, 2008 8:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it's very insulting

but for some reason all i can think about this second is a pastrami on rye from dz akins.

by obviousman on Apr 4, 2008 8:42 AM PDT   0 recs

What exactly

was the Pads marketing department doing in the off-season? No slogan - which, honestly, is just flat-out laziness - and now this.

Very well put, Kev.

by Winfield's Ghost on Apr 4, 2008 8:50 AM PDT   0 recs

This change also

fucked over season ticket holders pretty bad. Time was 50 games got you on the field for batting practive.

Now, as a season ticket holder, you get three pages of useless coupons for things like, "Toyota Terrace Access!" and "Free Ultrastar Movie!". It seems like the only way to get the good shit is to buy into the Rewards program. But wait, most season ticket holders have already PAID for all of their games and are not going to buy many more tickets.

Fucking stupid.

by Phantom on Apr 4, 2008 8:55 AM PDT   0 recs

I apologize for the obscenity

I'm pretty tired from last nite's home opener (which we won walkoff in the bottom of the 9th!). I'm not in a bad mood - my filter just ins't working well this morning.

by Phantom on Apr 4, 2008 8:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

DAG'GUMMIT...

I'll just continue to watch games on Channel 4 HD in protest. And because I'm poor.

by KaLiBLeeK on Apr 4, 2008 9:14 AM PDT   0 recs

Well put

I think my biggest concern right now is the effect these changes have on the make-up of the Petco crowd. Every year it looks as though the number of actual "fans" diminishes -- replaced by a contingent of wealthy transplants and seemingly disinterested business partners, who don't mind paying $25 for a beer and a hot dog because they'll only go to one or two more games all year, and the only reason they stay until the end of the game is for the spectacle/gimmick that is Hells Bells.

Yea, I paint with a wide brush.

"All the big fellas in baseball are gonna get scrawny and weak like those stat geeks that nobody likes." -- Roger Clemens

by TheGrandHatching on Apr 4, 2008 9:32 AM PDT   0 recs

Living in Sacramento

I saw this for sure with the Kings. The seats used to be filled with some of the most die-hard fans in the league. Now it is basically composed of company owned seats used for entertaining clients and such. The atmosphere sucks now.

by sacpadre on Apr 4, 2008 9:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I completely agree

Considering that since I stopped buying season tickets, my main way of attending games is to attend with another season ticket holder who's seat partner cannot attend. I pay her back for the ticket, but get no reward anymore. And not counting the ancillary purchases? STUPID!!! Alex I went to at least 3 games last year when our on site purchases totaled more than the ticket prices (since we bought park passes). Dumb dumb dumb.

by Christina on Apr 4, 2008 9:52 AM PDT   0 recs

Something like this

They definitely put a ton of time and thought into. They ran P&L's, did research, focus grouped it, and the end result was this: they're going to get more money. So they ran with it.

Let's see if all this backlash is enough for them to reconsider.

by matto619 on Apr 4, 2008 9:53 AM PDT   0 recs

haha

I guarantee you they did none of that.

by Dex on Apr 4, 2008 10:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Really?

No company ever does anything with planning running a profit & loss

by matto619 on Apr 4, 2008 10:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

uhm

companies do stuff like this all the time without running any analysis. If they didn't I would be out of a job as a consultant.

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. " ~Frank Sinatra

by Sammy G on Apr 4, 2008 12:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Imagine their profit and loss

The real value in a loyalty rewards program should be in the demographic data that they put together and how they can use that to upsell sponsors on different activations, what ticket prices lead to actual attendance, and other really interesting things. There are all kinds of things you do with the data, but it becomes very difficult to figure out exactly what the ROI on that is.

They get some intern to do the analysis (because sports teams aren't necessarily known for attracting the best business talent). Intern looks at the books and says, "You're spending $50k on this program each year and $0 in income are directly attributed to it." Score one for getting rid of it.

You get a "focus group" in there (if they did, which I doubt) and they say, "Would you pay $10 for this?" And focus group says, "throw in the backpack, the coupon and that and maybe yes." And suddenly that's another Go Ahead.

In neither case is it ever really discussed what the real value of the program might be outside of the extra $10 they're able to milk.

by Dex on Apr 4, 2008 11:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In other words

I wouldn't be surprised if the analysis was that they could attach a dollar value to it and therefore it's a plus, without ever once considering how it breaks the original intent of the program.

by Dex on Apr 4, 2008 11:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hi there

Sorry to hear about your experiences. I'd appreciate it if at least some of you wouldn't mind taking the time to pass on your complaints and suggestions to the Padres. I'm getting a contact e-mail address for you.

by Eternal on Apr 4, 2008 1:50 PM PDT   0 recs

For the Compadres program, contact Brook Govan: bgovan@padres.com

Beer and concession prices, contact Tim Katzman: tkatzman@padres.com

I'd suggest you state:

1) Why you personally didn't like the changes
2) If and how you think it'll negatively impact the Padres
3) Any constructive suggestions

The area of 2) deals with what is known as "negative externalities" in economics, which are unfortunately frequently ignored in any type of business analysis.

The Padres need to build a more enthusiastic fan base, no question about it. I was disappointed to see only 20,000 turn out for our 2nd game. :(

by Eternal on Apr 4, 2008 2:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My suggestion

would be to bring Dex and I in and let us fix the Padres fan programs. The Padres obviously didn't see the value they had from the Compadres program so they just tried to milk a bit more money out of the fans. Compadres was great, but could have been so much better for both the fans and the Padres.

by jbox on Apr 4, 2008 2:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

We're having a meeting to discuss how bloggers are treated with regards to media credentials. I'm also hoping to having a designated game so the bloggers that actively cover the Padres could get a chance to hang out together at a game and meet some of the FO people. So you'll likely have a direct opportunity to discuss the Compadres program.

by Eternal on Apr 5, 2008 2:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Emailing complaints?

Sounds like a job for SUPER DRAMA!

...the man who isn't a pessimist is a damned fool.-Mark Twain

by sdsuaztec4 on Apr 4, 2008 4:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I understand..

everyone is upset that they changed the program after 10 years. Everyone loved getting the free rewards every year and the program was great. But you have to also look at it this way: you are simply going to a baseball game, it is just a bonus that they are providing you with such great programs. Everyone is so spoiled from having such a great program for so long that they feel that it is their "right" as a Padre fan to have a free rewards program. How many other professional sports organizations have free rewards programs? In a sense we should be grateful they have any type of rewards program at all even if you do have to pay a one time 10 dollar yearly fee.

In my opinion the season ticket holders should be happier now that they automatically get all their rewards sent to them at the beginning of the season based on how many games they purchased in their plan. Now they don't have to get up and swipe their card and if they miss a game they still get credit for going to the game. Yes I understand people enjoyed swiping their cards, but for season ticket holders this program is better and will ensure you get full credit for your purchases.

The Frequent Friar club only cost 10 dollars per year and you do get a movie pass, a sling backpack and 2 6 dollar coupons for games just for signing up. In my opinion the biggest flaw with the program (besides the fact that it took the name of my blog) is that there are only 3 rewards for frequent friars. There is a 100 250 and 500 point reward and that is it. You don't get all of the cool rewards that you used to get with the Compadres club. Now the 3 rewards are only like "get in to the game early" "get a free frequent friar hotline pass to buy special tickets" and "get a free ticket to a game". If you are going to complain about the program complain about the lack of rewards, not about the measly 10 dollar fee for signing up.

But again, any program that actually rewards you for going to watch the Padres play should be considered an added bonus. So they made it a little different this year...and you wont get some of the free crap that you most likely never use anyway...big deal. People get SO upset over not being able to get free crap its ridiculous. Some of the rewards were cool and I understand that, but again it is up to the Padres to decide how or even IF they want to reward the fans and in my opinion it is not in the fan "bill of rights"

by Peavyforprez08 on Apr 5, 2008 12:28 PM PDT   0 recs

You missed the point

The reason for writing this story is not to bemoan the fact that Padre fans won't be able to get tchotchkes from the Compadres program that we can get at a promotional game. It's to remind the Padres organization that they are supplying a product and we fans are the customer (i.e. VOC or voice of customer).

There is a very simple concept that many businesses fail to grasp... the customer is always mostly right (or at least make them think that they're right). It's not a sense of entitlement, but more an expectation that has been established by the Padres in terms of the type and quality of product they deliver to the customer.

by kev on Apr 5, 2008 1:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the current model

I can't think of any other loyalty program that works this way other than credit cards and we all know that credit cards are all about taking as much of your money as they can.

Now that the 100, 250 and 500 "point' rewards are based directly on the amount of money that a person spends on a ticket, it immediately makes it appear that the Padres don't actually care who attends a game, so long as somebody's bought a ticket. Kev's example from the post is a good one. I could attend 20 games at the Park in the Park and buy hot dogs and beer and souvenirs at every game and a Dodger fan, who decided to splurge on nice tickets for one game could be a more "frequent friar" than me.

From a business standpoint, the main appeal of these types of programs isn't even the free stuff anyway. It's mostly building the brand affinity and the satisfaction of accumulating the points. The whole idea of a loyalty program is to make you want to attend "just a couple more" games than what you might normally. It's looking down at the coupon that the thing spits out and realizing you're one game away from the next prize, so suddenly you have an extra excuse to buy tickets to the next game. It's also the satisfaction of just watching that lifetime point tally grow. Why the Padres decided to hose that is beyond me.

by Dex on Apr 5, 2008 8:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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