This implosion lies at your office door, Mr. Moores.
Professional sports, now so more than ever, are a “What have you done for me lately?” phenomenon. It is now time for John Moores to stop living off the successes of building Petco Park and keeping the team from moving out of San Diego...and start on the business of making this team a REAL contender. The cold truth is that this organization has not fielded a legitimate World Series contender since the 1998 season. Talk all you want about the last three seasons (’05,’06, & ’07)…but did we actually have a shot in any of those seasons?
The 2005 team did win the NL West, but it was just a matter of being the best of the worst. With an 82-80 record and the rest of the division a bad joke, the Padres were just good enough to get in and get swept. Jake’s injury certainly didn’t help, but it really didn’t matter either.
2006 was really our best chance, but a World Series was a pipe dream. Say what you will about the record of the Cardinals going into the playoffs that year, but that team was better than ours. Jake wasn’t Jake. CY was awesome, but Woody was our #3. Third base and second base were both a mess. That team wasn’t going to do it.
As for 2007, let’s all just put game #163 behind us. Even if we had pulled off a win there, we weren’t going much further than that. Jake wouldn’t have been available until Game 3 or 4 of the first round, Trevor was injured, CY was pitching batting practice and our outfield had been decimated. We wouldn’t have even gotten past Philly.
The fact is, because of the amazing work done by KT every year, this team has been built to be just good enough to compete for the division and a playoff spot…but never really good enough to go for a ring. Now with the rebuilding of the Diamondbacks and the Rockies near completion…the inadequacies of this ball club have been exposed. We really shouldn’t be all that shocked to see the position we’re in right now. It has been John Moores unwillingness to spend the money needed to be competitive that is killing this team right now.
I’m not advocating spending way more than our means. I’m not asking for a $125 million-plus payroll. But, because of past mistakes in our farm system…the days where we can piece together a team that can win the NL West with a $70 million dollar payroll are over. Yes I know the D-Backs and Rockies have a lower payroll than we do right now…but that’s because they’re reaping the rewards of making good draft choices by drafting on the basis of the best player available. While we were drafting guys based on their “signability”…they were drafting players based on their talent. Tom Krasovic printed a quote from Jerry Crasnick’s book “License to Deal” in the U-T a couple weeks back. The quote was from Mike Rizzo, who was the scouting director of the Diamondbacks at the time of the 2004 MLB Draft. Here’s the quote from Rizzo: “The Padres can spin it any way they want to spin it, but if I have the first pick on the playground, I'm picking Stephen Drew over Matt Bush 100 out of 100 times.” Reading that as a Padre fan makes me nauseous. THAT is how you pick ball-players. John Moores was hand-cuffing our scouts…and now we’re wondering why we are sitting in last place nine games out?
It’s time for Moores to step-up and spend some real money on this team. I’m not talking about ridiculous contracts like the Cubs with Soriano or the Giants with Zito. But there have been opportunities to spend more than what we normally would to land some real impact players. Look at the contract of Vlad Guerrero in 2005. Or Fukudome this past off-season. These were circumstances where it would have made a huge impact on our club to dig deeper…but they never happen. Padre fans have been getting excuses since voters passed Prop C. to build the new ballpark. From ’99 to the opening of Petco Park…the excuse was that Moores was losing money hand over to fist to get the park built. After Petco opened the excuse was basically the same, we don’t have the money because Moores is in the red due to cost over-runs and all the delays. Then when they tease us with the promise that they do have some money to spend…we hear that the market is crazy and we won’t over-pay for players. Ten f**king years and all we hear is excuses.
Every Padre fan should be appreciative of the role the Moores family took in keeping the Padres in San Diego…but at the same time, being appreciative of that effort does not mean we should also be naïve. Since the opening of Petco Park, not only has the value of the franchise risen to $385 million…but the untold boon in real estate from the development in that area has been huge for Moores. Make no mistake, John Moores did not rescue the San Diego Padres from the death-like grip of Tom Werner out of the goodness of his heart. I’m not saying he doesn’t want to see this team to win rings, or that he doesn’t love baseball as much as any of us…but John Moores saw an incredible business opportunity that would fall right into place with some clever manipulation and just the right amount of revenue spent at the perfect time.
Do we really think we can win a World Series continuing with the attitude that we set the price for players? That if they don’t like our offer, too bad? Take it or leave it? Where has the Sandy Alderson method of "negotiating" gotten us? How did the Mike Cameron situation get botched so badly? Why didn’t we fight harder for Fukudome? I’d like to find one Padre fan that was impressed that the offer made to Fukudome was "one of the two or three biggest deals" in franchise history. Show me ONE. I’d call it a joke…but the real joke is the mess that our outfield has become.
How long do we have to wait for that one jaw-dropper that really brings some excitement and makes us a true contender? Will it ever? Or is John Moores going to keep giving KT just enough to make the team respectable and keep those hot dogs, 3.2% beers and souvenirs selling?
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to be fair, in 2004, the front office looked much different than it does now. I don’t think that particular pick would’ve gone the way it did these days.
by Dex on
Apr 29, 2008 9:48 AM PDT
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To also be fair...
Maybe some of those people that lost their jobs in our front office were let go due to the poor performance of our farm system which was really a direct result of the way they were forced to draft players.
And you’re right…maybe in 2007 we wouldn’t have drafted Matt Bush. But even today, I don’t see this owner giving Stephen Drew a $4 million dollar bonus. Do you?
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by Drama on
Apr 29, 2008 10:54 AM PDT
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I agree with Dex
There has been a lot more research done into how much you can invest in draft picks. And all of it shows that it is way better to gamble that money on a high draft pick than it is to piss it away with free agents. I think the new Padres front office is aware of this.
The one issue the team has with drafting is that they rarely draft great athletes. These players inherently carry more risk since usually the top athletes are raw players who usually can’t hit. Matt Antonelli is probably the best athlete the Padres have drafted in the first round and he’s not going to steal 50 bases or hit 30 HRs. Everyone talks about the Padres not having players whose style fits Petco, but I’ve yet to see that affect drafting strategy. We still pick a lot of corner players with high OBPs who need to develop power. I’m all for those guys, but you need up the middle players too. The only ones I know of in the system are Cedric Hunter and Drew Cumberland, and neither of those guys look like their ceiling is 50 SB or 30 HR. Maybe the efforts in the Dominican Republic will help, but I don’t think we’ll start seeing the results of those efforts for 5-10 years.
I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.
by Wonko on
Apr 29, 2008 12:38 PM PDT
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So this is where you've been
holed up in a cabin out in the wilderness writing a manifesto. It makes me nervous when you disappear for long periods at a time, like suddenly you’ll show up at my door and demand lodging.
by jbox on
Apr 29, 2008 9:57 AM PDT
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I was beginning to think you banned him!
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on
Apr 29, 2008 10:13 AM PDT
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Great post, Drama
I feel your frustration.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on
Apr 29, 2008 10:14 AM PDT
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posts like these...
...are valid criticisms, but I wouldn’t call this season an implosion yet, and quite frankly, it’s a little unfair to come up with this not only with 5/6ths of the season left to play, but when the team is obviously in a funk. I’d like to see it re-posted when the team is, say, 5-6 games over .500 (because that’s coming, folks). My opinion.
by mlb22 on
Apr 29, 2008 10:46 AM PDT
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"5-6 games over .500" does not make this team a legitimate contender.
"I had a really bad dream...it lasted 39 years and three weeks..."
by Drama on
Apr 29, 2008 10:56 AM PDT
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sorry
the implication was that, once we are 5-6 games over, it will mean we have played around 12 games OVER .500… aka, gone on a good run. i didn’t mean finishin the season at 5-6 games over.
by mlb22 on
Apr 29, 2008 11:09 AM PDT
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real estate
Don’t forget that San Diegans actually wanted Moores to own and develop a good amount of the land surrounding the ballpark. It was written into the deal that Moores would have to build a number of hotel rooms residential around the ballpark, much of which is unsold because of the real estate situation. A pretty good amount of the real estate wasn’t even purchased by Moores until a couple of years into the development. There was opportunity to get in early if others had more faith in the entire project.
There’s obviously a case to be made that Moores will make the money up in equity, but from what I know, I’d guess that last year was the first year in several that the team finances weren’t in the red.
by Dex on
Apr 29, 2008 10:59 AM PDT
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Errm
Now with the rebuilding of the Diamondbacks and the Rockies near completion…the inadequacies of this ball club have been exposed. We really shouldn’t be all that shocked to see the position we’re in right now. It has been John Moores unwillingness to spend the money needed to be competitive that is killing this team right now.
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Yes I know the D-Backs and Rockies have a lower payroll than we do right now…but that’s because they’re reaping the rewards of making good draft choices by drafting on the basis of the best player available
You keep holding up the Rockies and Diamondbacks as a good example for us. Yes, they Diamondbacks are playing ridiculously well right now. But the Rockies…reaping the rewards…blah blah…OH WAIT! They have the same record we do! Yeah, they are reaping the benefits.
Or Fukudome this past off-season. These were circumstances where it would have made a huge impact on our club to dig deeper…but they never happen.
Fukudome wanted to play in Chicago and be their first Japanese player. It had nothing to do with the money, because there were teams that offered him more money than the Cubs.
The fact of the matter is money does not guarantee victory. Unfortunately, spending lots of money can keep other teams from being competitive, a model that the Yankees used to great success for much of their history. Teams like the Dodgers can afford to overspend, even if it doesn’t significantly improve their team. By doing that, you may only improve your team marginally, but you keep other teams from improving unless they spend past their means. As well as the Diamondbacks and Rockies are playing right now (and the Rockies do have a pretty good team, even if they have the same record as us), they suffered through a long streak of rebuilding. The Padres are busy rebuilding their farm system while still providing a competitive team. And, yes, our team would have had a shot at the ring last season if we didn’t suffer through so many injuries. I don’t think there are too many teams out there that could lose two of their starting outfielders, one of them that was posting a .343 EqA (Barry Bonds posted a .344 EqA last season, ARod a .338). The only teams that could live through that are the aforementioned teams that overspend and have allstars on their bench.
by osbug on
Apr 29, 2008 11:41 AM PDT
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Just to be clear on the Fukudome issue
I’m pretty sure that the White Sox were the only team to offer him more money than the Cubs, and I don’t believe it was substantially more. Which of those two teams do you think Fukudome would rather play for?
Either way, both Chicago teams’ offers were significantly more than ours.
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on
Apr 29, 2008 12:00 PM PDT
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Not really
The Padres offered him between 10-11mil, the Cubs signed him for 12mil.
by osbug on
Apr 29, 2008 1:10 PM PDT
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You're right - it wasn't that much more money.
But I guess it’s possible that the deciding factor could’ve been the fourth year that the Cubs offered (over our three).
"When the going gets tough... TheGrandHatching pops in later." -- WG
by TheGrandHatching on
Apr 29, 2008 1:27 PM PDT
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A few things....
First, thanks for reading.
Fukudome had one other team offer him more money…the White Sox. But the White Sox refused to guarantee him right field…so they were out of it. He would have been our first Japanese player. With Tadahito following soon after. And nowhere has he said he expressly wanted to play in Chicago. The fact is, no one knows what decision he would have made if we had offered him, say, what the White Sox did and guaranteed him right field. I’m just saying it sure would have been nice for us to put up equal or even a little more cash to make the decision tougher on the guy, instead of continually hoping that less money, sunshine and killer whales will do the trick. .
I didn’t say spending would guarantee victory. And like I originally wrote, I’m not asking them to dump crazy money on stupid contracts. But rebuilding your farm system isn’t going to mean a damn thing if you’re not drafting the best player you possibly can. You either have to spend money signing draft picks…or you have to spend it in free agency. Moores has been hesitant to do either.
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by Drama on
Apr 29, 2008 12:18 PM PDT
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One more thing...
If you want to get into injuries last season…take a good look at what happened to the pitching staff of the Colorado Rockies.
"I had a really bad dream...it lasted 39 years and three weeks..."
by Drama on
Apr 29, 2008 12:37 PM PDT
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The Rockies
Had to make a ridiculous run to end up where they did. Even the Diamondbacks who you like so much (in an operational sense, i know you are not a DB fan) got swept by them. Their fans better hope they don’t need to do that again to make the post season.
by osbug on
Apr 29, 2008 12:59 PM PDT
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Yes
The Padres didn’t offer a substantially less amount than the Cubs. And if it came down to it, who do you think would win in a bidding war? We certainly could have upped the offer, but so could the Cubs. Their is no way they were going to be outbid by the Padres. Maybe Kosuke’s agent let them know that he wanted to play for the Cubs, and it was going to take way more than they could afford to get him. We don’t know how the negotiations went. If they could have got him for what the Cubs could have, I think it would have been a worthwhile signing. As far as him being our first Japanese player…Fat Toad and Aki beat him to that.
I don’t think anybody around here wants the Padres to drop ridiculous amounts of money. The problem is, other teams are, which means we have to if we want to compete for them. Are there honestly any free agents out there that you feel would have been worth outspending another team for this last offseason? I would have loved to see Bradley back, but he decided to go to Texas, and Mike Cameron’s agent blew it. The Padres are doing a good job rebuilding their system, while still providing a good baseball team. If they could find a way to rebuild overnight I am sure they would.
by osbug on
Apr 29, 2008 1:05 PM PDT
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Fat Toad and Aki. You're right on that.
I think you’re crazy to blame the Mike Cameron debacle just on his agent. I think we’ve all learned exactly what kind of guy Sandy is over the past few years.
"I had a really bad dream...it lasted 39 years and three weeks..."
by Drama on
Apr 29, 2008 1:12 PM PDT
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Except for the fact
That he ended up signing with Milwaukee for almost exactly what we were offering. The hold up wasn’t money, but years. I think Cameron would have rather played in San Diego, and you are right, it probably wasn’t just his agent, but I think the majority of the blame lies in their camp.
Don’t get me wrong, I wish the Padres could bring in some big names as well, but I don’t think it rests just on the fact that Moore’s doesn’t want to spend money. There are too many team spending stupidly right now, and I am glad we are not one of them.
by osbug on
Apr 29, 2008 2:15 PM PDT
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Otzuka?
He doesn’t count as our first Japanese player?
by B Dizzle on
Apr 29, 2008 4:59 PM PDT
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irabu never played for us
drama meant to say our first japanese position player.
by Dex on
Apr 29, 2008 7:03 PM PDT
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I couldn't have
said it better myself. Top ten in revenue, bottom ten in payroll. Dish out some coin Moores.
by Hacker on
Apr 29, 2008 12:19 PM PDT
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Spending other peoples money
I don’t think the Padres are averse to spending the money. They are averse to foolishly spend the money. Much like the Tigers I think if the right situation came along where they could increase their payroll wisely they would do. But spending money on long term deals with aging free agents is not going to be the way they work. I have yet to see a situation where the Padres could have increased payroll without handicapping future ballclubs.
There has been 1 player the Padres have had in the Petco years that absolutely had to be kept damn the cost and that is Peavy and they did that. They pretty much had to keep Giles or suffer through inadequate RFs and they did that as well (probably overpaid). We have yet to see the Khalil situation play out, but being that his free agency years occur during his 30s, I don’t see that as a must have re-sign.
Money is not the real problem, you can’t just give Joe Free Agent $40 mill and expect the money to help him fix the offense. You need to develop players and re-sign the young good ones. The Padres are doing part 2 good enough and are trying desperately to do part 1, but are handicapped by the crappy draft picks they made in earlier this decade (Bush, Stauffer, Phillips, etc) when they picked early in the first round. This is what separates them from the DBags who did part 1 (Upton, Drew, Scherzer) very well (probably got lucky too) and are starting to do part 2 (Upton, Webb).
I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.
by Wonko on
Apr 29, 2008 12:52 PM PDT
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Nice post
They resigned Peavy, Gonzalez (who is our slugger, even if people think we don’t have one), Young. They are going about this the right way, while avoiding having to have rebuilding years.
There is always luck involved in draft picks, but they definitely had some clunkers. The difference was that some of those came when they couldn’t afford to overspend on a prospect that may never pan out. Times have changed, and they are spending more in the drafts. Although I don’t think drafted players should be able to determine where they go by their monetary demands, that defeats the whole purpose of the draft.
by osbug on
Apr 29, 2008 1:09 PM PDT
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Paying your picks
I think teams have come to realize it is far more costly to miss with your first pick that it is to withhold the money. I don’t have the numbers onhand, but I’ll be liberal and say that even if the difference is $6 million between a “budget” pick and the “money” pick, it is well worth the risk because if the budget pick doesn’t work out you lose way more than $6 million in value. The Pirates and Blue Jays were willing to pay more than that to have Matt Morris and Frank Thomas NOT play for them. The Rangers wasted tens of millions on Chan Ho Park. Same goes for Mike Hampton, Barry Zito, etc, etc. The amount spent of draft picks is chump change in comparison, but you may get a superstar for less than $2-6 million a year for 5 years (that’s probably close the to salary of a superstar in his first 5 years in the majors, Cabrera, Soriano, etc).
I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.
by Wonko on
Apr 29, 2008 11:44 PM PDT
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I also believe
they got lucky with those three signings (Peavy, Giles, Green).
Your average joe talent out there might consider a better financial offer (and/or years), plus a better shot at a ring than sunshine and killer whales.
"We've... we've got lumps of it 'round the back."
by ABY on
Apr 30, 2008 1:00 AM PDT
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Good, Bad, Ugly
We definitely lucked out with Peavy. But it’s not the Padres fault he took less money.
Giles was a free agent. He signed with us using free agency to drive his price up. No luck there.
We still haven’t signed Greene past the years he is obligated to play for us. No luck there (maybe the bad kind, definitely not the good kind)
I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.
by Wonko on
Apr 30, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
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Oh!
...and you even said that in your earlier post, oopsie.
"We've... we've got lumps of it 'round the back."
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Apr 30, 2008 3:52 PM PDT
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