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Our Suspicions Have Been Confirmed

9-14, fifth place in the West. It's hard to deal with. It doesn't seem real. Somehow, I just can't believe our team is really this bad. We do have a good team, don't we?

Going on the belief that our team is really better than they've played, I started trying to observe other factors that might explain our dreadful start. One tthing that struck me is that we seem to have overwhelmingly faced good pitching. Penny twice, Owalt twice, Cain twice, Lincecum twice.

But we all know that perceptions can be deceiving. Have we really faced the best pitching out of anyone in the West? And what about our offense? Is it all pitching? Are there other reasons we have struggled?

My conclusions are below the fold. Come along, if you please.

Star-divide

To try to make some sense of the chaos, I used Baseball-Reference's game logs to examine which starters each team in the NL West has faced so far this year. Once I had the list of starters each team has faced, I recorded the ERA+ (a normalized, park-adjusted number. 100 is average. Anything above 100 is good, anything below is bad. ERA+ is also a percentage, so a pitcher with an ERA+ of 114 is 14% better than the average.) for each starter. I also used the 2007 figures for each starter, as I didn't want our crappy offense to artifically inflate the numbers. In instances where the pitcher was a rookie, or didn't throw enough innings in 2007 (below 50, for my purposes), I used career numbers where available, or 2008 stats (for rookies). This isn't an exact science, but it should give us an idea of what we faced. For relievers or spot starter in 2007 who are now starting in 2008, I used their 2007 numbers.

Below are the average ERA+ of starters that each team in the West has faced this year.  I have also listed repeat starters each team has faced (along with their ERA+) and any rookies or pitchers who didn't log enough innings in 2007 ( where I had to use numbers that may not be indicative of their true ability).

 

Los Angeles Dodgers: 102.76

Starters faced more than once: Peavy (159) and Haren (137).

Potential Outliers: M. Valdez (81) and J. Bennett (94)

Colorado Rockies: 110.23

Starters faced more than once: Webb (156) and E. Gonzalez (137).

Potential Outliers: None.

San Francisco Giants: 111.43

Starters faced more than once: Maddux (98), Wellemeyer (98), Pineiro (104), Webb (156), and Owings (109).

Potential Outliers: H. Kuo (87) and M. Parra (98).

Arizona Diamondbacks: 113.32

Starters faced more than once: Francis (114), Morales (140), Billingsley (138),  and Zito (98).

Potential Outliers: Cueto (107) and Kuroda (145).

San Diego Padres: 118.13

Starters faced more than once: Oswalt (138), Backe (117), Penny (151), Lowe (118), Cain (122), and Lincecum (111). 

Potential Outliers: Kuroda (145)

 

As you can see, we have indeed faced the toughest average starting pitching of any of the teams in the West. A quick look at the repeated starters gives us a good indication of this.  Some of our opponents have also had the good fortune to repeatedly face starters in 2008 who haven't been nearly as effective as they were in 2007 (Billingsley, Francis, and Morales).

Now, does this tell us the whole story? So we faced some good pitchers, is that all? What about where we've played? Could it be that in addition to facing the toughest pitching around, we've also played in places that make the job even tougher on hitters? We all know that Petco is a tough place to play, but how has our schedule comapred to other teams in the West? For these numbers, I used the 2007 Park Factors from ESPN.com. I tabulated the number of times each team played in which park, and averaged the factors accordingly. For Park Factors, any number greater than 1 means it's a hitters environment. Any number lower than 1 means it favors pitchers. Petco had the lowest Park Factor in baseball in 2007 at 0.775.

 

Arizona Diamondbacks: 1.093

Colorado Rockies: 1.032

Los Angeles Dodgers: 1.005

San Francisco Giants: 0.982

San Diego Padres: 0.883

 

Now, Petco does unduly affect these numbers. But it's important to realize that the most hitter friendly place we've played has been Chase Field, where we played a total of 3 games. Other than Chase Field, only Dodger Stadium posts a "hitter friendly" number of 1.053. Staggeringly, even Minute Maid is below 1, at 0.901.

Some of our opposition has the good fortune to play in environments that are more conducive to scoring runs. But what about other places they've played?

Arizona, who leads the division in run-friendly places, has also played games at Coors Field (1.16), Dodger Stadium (1.053), and Great American Ballpark (1.095). Chase Field posts an extremely friendly 1.111.

Colorado, whose home field posts a robust 1.16, has also played games at Chase Field. All of their other games (aside from home games), come in parks with Park Factors below 1 (Busch Stadium at 0.933, Petco, and Minute Maid.)

Los Angeles, who has a surprisingly high Park Factor of 1.053, has also played games at Chase and GAB. Only Petco and Turner Field (0.912) are difficult places to hit.

San Francicso, like us, has a tough home environment. However, AT&T is not as low as you'd imagine, as their PF of 0.987 is near average. Other than Busch Stadium and Petco, the Giants have played games in hitter friendly places such as Chase, Dodger Stadium, and Miller Park (1.011)

 

I'm not sure what, if anything, this means. Maybe our team really is better than they're playing, and they've had an extraordinarily tough schedule for the first month. Not only is Petco a tough place to hit, but we haven't exactly played a ton of games in places where it IS easy to hit. Coupled with the ridiculuously bad luck we've had in terms of the starters we've drawn, it's understandable that our offense has struggled.

I am in no way proposing that this is an excuse. They are professional ball players. But maybe, just maybe, we should all back away from the ledge. It is unlikely that this kind of horrifically coincidental scheduling will continue throughout the season. We're bound to see Barry Zito at some point.

 

(If anyone is interested, I can send out the Excel file I used to compile this data. I'm sorry for the long diatribe, but I hope it's been worth your time.)

This FanPost was written by a member of the Gaslamp Ball community and does not necessarily reflect the views of the Gaslamp Ball managers or SB Nation.

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Impressive work.

Solid reasoning… that explained a lot why we are sucking like we are.

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by TheThirdGonzalez on Apr 25, 2008 10:20 AM PDT   0 recs

Good try

but you are just polishing the turd, putting lipstick on a pig. I give up and I am just going to drink VicoTini’s during each game…....

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. " ~Frank Sinatra

by Sammy G on Apr 25, 2008 10:41 AM PDT   0 recs

mmmmm

talk slower about the pig.

by jbox on Apr 25, 2008 11:51 AM PDT to parent up   1 recs

I subscribe

to this newsletter.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on Apr 25, 2008 10:41 AM PDT   0 recs

One other thing to consider

Our BABIP is sitting pretty low at .282 (NL Average is .293 right now). Not a huge number by itself, but when taken with the data you came up with, it all adds up.

by osbug on Apr 25, 2008 10:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Great call

about BABIP. I’d love to see where we sit in the greater context of the NL, but I don’t think I want to spend the time doing it.

by Phantom on Apr 25, 2008 11:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks

I actually meant I’d be curious to see where they sit in terms of ERA+ against for the entire NL. I don’t want to spend the time, though.

by Phantom on Apr 25, 2008 11:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah

Maybe if I get bored later and have the time I will finish it for you.

by osbug on Apr 25, 2008 11:15 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

what else are you doing?

are you still busy recruiting dodger bloggers to initiate a hostile takeover of gaslamp ball?

by Dex on Apr 25, 2008 11:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha

I wasn’t the one who suggested trading Drama, I just brought up a potential target. If we can get some high quality bloggers in here, clubhouse chemistry be damned! I want to win this thing!

Speaking of Dodger Bloggers…I wonder if Wiggins is in jail already. There have been more than a few posts over the last couple of days suggesting he has become a Dodger Fan, but no angry retaliatory posts yet.

by osbug on Apr 25, 2008 11:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

my only critique

You suggest that you have conclusions and then you don’t conclude anything. Sack up, dude! Conclude it! What are your conclusions!?

by Dex on Apr 25, 2008 10:55 AM PDT   0 recs

conclusion

we suck, give up on baseball. If we have a lead going into the 9th, I just turn off the TV and beleive we have won. Same thing in extra innings.

In fact I have our record at 14-7, not bad…............

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. " ~Frank Sinatra

by Sammy G on Apr 25, 2008 11:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also

You never answer the question of whether or not Hoffman is done.

"If baseball is about beer and offense, then this is a lousy time to be a Padres fan." -- Geoff Young

by TheGrandHatching on Apr 25, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well no matter whatyou conclude

about him being done or not
people are gonna have their own opinions about that
and trevor himself is the one person who can make the final call

"Heroes are people who are all good with no bad in them."
Mickey Mantle

by iLOVEkouz5 on Apr 25, 2008 11:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Conclusions

This may or may not help to explain why our offense has been so anemic. Our team, which hasn’t changed all that much from last year, is playing much worse despite having a majority of the same players. Perhaps the fact that we’ve faced such good pitching in parks that repress hitting helps to explain why guys are not playing up to their ability. Our team shouldn’t be playing this poorly. The pitching we’ve faced (and where we’ve faced it) could help explain why there is such a disconnect between the ability level of our players and the level at which they’re currently playing.

by Phantom on Apr 25, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that works

I just also like conclusions like:

In conclusion: BRING IN THE FENCES!!

by Dex on Apr 25, 2008 11:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hah

I’m so against the idea of bringing in the fences. Our team can play at Petco fine. We just haven’t done so yet.

by Phantom on Apr 25, 2008 11:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, you had me fooled.

I thought you were going to conclude that PEOPLE FROM ARIZONA ARE DOUCHEBAGS!!!

"If baseball is about beer and offense, then this is a lousy time to be a Padres fan." -- Geoff Young

by TheGrandHatching on Apr 25, 2008 11:55 AM PDT to parent up   2 recs

You can't conclude that

since it is a well known fact. That is like right a term paper and at the end. “After reviewing all the evidence about supply side economics, I conclude that the sun is really hot.”

It is a true statement, but everybody knows that and won’t argue with you (unless they are from Arizona, where they will say, “yeah the sun is hot, but is a dry hot, not like the damp hot that colliding coments bring”

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. " ~Frank Sinatra

by Sammy G on Apr 25, 2008 1:33 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good analysis

It would be interesting to understand how these two variables interact—that is, although I’m sure that ERA+ is strongly correlated with a low Park Factor, I’m also sure that certain pitchers are more susceptible to Park Factors than others. For example, when playing in pitchers’ parks we may have faced pitchers who get helped out immensely by a low Park Factor; and when playing in hitters’ parks we may have faced pitchers who pitch equally well in hitters’ and pitchers’ parks.

"If baseball is about beer and offense, then this is a lousy time to be a Padres fan." -- Geoff Young

by TheGrandHatching on Apr 25, 2008 11:02 AM PDT   0 recs

Good point

Facing a Woody Williams in Petco Park is a much more daunting task than facing a Woody Williams in Houston.

by osbug on Apr 25, 2008 11:07 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ERA+ is adjusted for park factors

It’s not an absolute, but it’s adjusted as much as possible to account for the park differences.

Capri. Baseball will get me through the Bar Exam.

by Demoira on Apr 26, 2008 10:34 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What about the Bud factor?

I mean really, letting CY swing away with bases loaded and one out?

"Phfft! Facts. You can use them to prove anything.
-- Homer Simpson

by Boilermaker19 on Apr 25, 2008 11:08 AM PDT   0 recs

and they let edmonds try bunting earlier in the game with 1 out and a man on 3rd and 1st
go figure

"Heroes are people who are all good with no bad in them."
Mickey Mantle

by iLOVEkouz5 on Apr 25, 2008 11:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That

almost worked out like gangbusters. Stupid Aurilia letting the ball go foul.

by Phantom on Apr 25, 2008 11:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Somebody has to try something different.

And the pitchers are the only ones consistently getting on base for Giles to drive in the few times we have scored some runs.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on Apr 25, 2008 11:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that was a spart play

Dick Aurillia was playing so deep…..I thought it was a great play.

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. " ~Frank Sinatra

by Sammy G on Apr 25, 2008 1:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

in our section

we were all complaining about that
it woulda been PERFECT if it hadnt gone fricken foul

"Heroes are people who are all good with no bad in them."
Mickey Mantle

by iLOVEkouz5 on Apr 25, 2008 11:11 AM PDT   0 recs

What about

Replacing Bradley and Cameron’s production with PMac and Edmonds? Or Scott Hairston crashing down to Earth?

Our outfield is a disaster.

by Dalton on Apr 25, 2008 11:37 AM PDT   0 recs

Oddly enough

Pmac has a .296 EqA right now. While not enough to replace Bradley who had a .338 EqA for us, it is higher than Cameron’s .271 for us last year. Edmonds is a disaster at the plate right now though.

by osbug on Apr 25, 2008 11:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

OK, so I didn't look

Pmac n’ cheese has good numbers so far.

Still stand by the disaster comment, for a variety of reasons that I won’t / don’t need to go into.

by Dalton on Apr 25, 2008 12:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I *hope* this explains it!!

But…how does this explain the last two nights against the Gigantes? Sure, their starters shut us down, but what about those extra innings when the team couldn’t hit it out of the infield against scrub relievers? I am one of the biggest Pollyannas around (and all you young whipper snappers have no clue what that means huh?) but even I am concerned here. Our hitters are not scaring anyone.

The countdown begins: 6 days until the Merry Month Of May.

by Christina on Apr 25, 2008 12:01 PM PDT   0 recs

I certainly agre with you

there is no excuse not to hit the relivers. The numbers I calculated are just for the starters, and I’m sure the bullpens would normalize this quite a bit.

by Phantom on Apr 25, 2008 12:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Totally agree.

Jack Taschner was throwing junk last night. Should have been hit. Then Merkin Valdez was looking terrible the night before and the padres couldn’t take advantage of it. Oh well.

by sacpadre on Apr 25, 2008 1:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

(recommended)

Maybe that’s where Wiggins is.

by Phantom on Apr 25, 2008 12:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

yum

Vicotini time, the pain of no offense will be no more…...........

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. " ~Frank Sinatra

by Sammy G on Apr 25, 2008 1:35 PM PDT   0 recs

Mmmmm...

Waiter, I’ll have a Bourbodin.

"If baseball is about beer and offense, then this is a lousy time to be a Padres fan." -- Geoff Young

by TheGrandHatching on Apr 25, 2008 1:39 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Alright

So I settled on Chouffe Houblon Dobbelen IPA Tripel or something. Aside from “IPA”, I don’t know what any of that means, but it’s 9% and tastes like happy.

"If baseball is about beer and offense, then this is a lousy time to be a Padres fan." -- Geoff Young

by TheGrandHatching on Apr 25, 2008 3:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

So who want to go

to a Sport Bar for the Game, and instead of watching this one, we put in that great game from last August when Harriston hit the two homers? It will be great, we can drink, laugh, high-five, play some Buck-O-Nine in the jukebox, watch freelunch and sdsu make out…...

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. " ~Frank Sinatra

by Sammy G on Apr 25, 2008 1:44 PM PDT   0 recs

We need a Gaslamp Ball travel guide

Thinking of going to a few different cities this year to see the Padres play. Would be kind of neat if Gaslampers could see if other ones were going to be in other cities during the same games. I met some Gaslamp readers (not posters) in SF at the last game I was at. By the way, damn Bud Black pitching to Molina when Aurilia was 0-6 that night. I’m not bitter.

by sacpadre on Apr 25, 2008 2:04 PM PDT   0 recs

Travelling

I’ve posted this a couple of times, but I’ll be seeing the Padres twice in Sea, 3 times in StL, 2 times in Cincy, and 2 times in Pit.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on Apr 25, 2008 3:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nice.

Might see you in STL and SEA then. Would love to go to PIT (the park reminds me of AT&T) but having been able to find reasonable ticket prices.

by sacpadre on Apr 25, 2008 3:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'll be at

Great American July 23rd and PNC July 24th…

"We've... we've got lumps of it 'round the back."

by ABY on Apr 27, 2008 9:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I am going to Phoenix this weekend

But the Astros will be playing the Dbacks, not the Padres. :(

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on Apr 25, 2008 3:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

On the upside

They won’t make you cry. Nothing worse than grown drunk people crying at away parks in the middle of the desert. Very disturbing.

Capri. Baseball will get me through the Bar Exam.

by Demoira on Apr 26, 2008 11:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Excellent Idea

I’ll be hitting NYC 2x – for the Yankees and the Mets, and DC 2x to see us play the Nats.

Capri. Baseball will get me through the Bar Exam.

by Demoira on Apr 26, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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