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22 innings will knock you for a loop.

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I'm awake...and I'm pissed off.

What an absolute mess this is on so many levels. With the exception of Josh Bard, the other twelve position players that participated in last night’s game should be ashamed of their ineptitude. To score just ONE run in TWENTY-TWO innings against some of the pitchers we saw last night….in a home game, no less…is embarrassing.
As bad as P-Keg was last night, I feel bad for trashing him about the attempted triple. From everything I can find this morning (and there isn’t much), that falls directly on Glenn Hoffman. If it’s true, that’s just flat-out incompetence. It’s his job to know the situation and know the player. He failed at both. Completely inexcusable.
Now we head into a road series with the division leaders, with a team that is exhausted. Tonight we have Maddux on the mound. Mad Dog is averaging six innings per start so we’ll obviously be dipping right back into our bullpen. And because our GM refuses to sign a veteran back-up catcher until Barrett is healthy, we did everything we could to kill Josh Bard last night. So we can look forward to seeing our 7-foot, Double A catcher behind the plate tonight. Think they’ll be looking to run a little bit tonight?
Not that any of it will really matter with Dan Haren on the mound. WE CAN’T SCORE!!! Something has to change and it better change quickly. We can’t get an extra base hit to save our lives. We play crappy station to station baseball and we have ZERO team speed. Our pitchers are working their asses off only to watch our hitters fail time and time again. It’s embarrassing.
Khalil: .238
Tadahito: .235
Edmonds: .233
Hairy: .214
Those four guys have combined for 230 at-bats…they have a grand total of THIRTEEN extra base hits. And Hairy has 5 of them!

I have no idea where this is going. I’m tired. The game ended at 3:20am. Ugh.

by Drama on Apr 18, 2008 7:40 AM PDT   1 recs

One more thing....

1,300 comments??? I don’t even know what to say.

by Drama on Apr 18, 2008 7:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

word...

I guess there’s no more need for an overflow thread.

by pjbno4 on Apr 18, 2008 7:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Absolutely not true, I think we tested the limits of the internet.

Some of us were literally afraid to refresh, I think someone said it took them 10-15 minutes for the page to load when they refreshed it.

Loading all those animal porn pics from other domains probably didn’t help…

by California Penal on Apr 18, 2008 8:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not the point.

I’m not worried about the Rockies offense. I could care less how many runs they score.

I’m concerned about our offense…and right now it’s a joke.

by Drama on Apr 18, 2008 8:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree

Finally stopped watching at the end of the 21st inning.
I love the pitching effort, but our bats this season are simply awful. I think it is a testament to our pitching staff that they were able to hold the Rockies hitters to two runs. But as I was watching Sportscenter on and off last night, I was laughing when I saw scores from other teams. White Sox / Orioles game was 5-6. I’d love to see the Padres get 5 or 6 runs in a game on average. I feel like the Padres are losing games they have no business losing because our bats don’t show up to the game. I’m hoping for an early season acquisition. =)

by sacpadre on Apr 18, 2008 8:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Our pitchers are working their asses off only to watch our hitters fail time and time again. It’s embarrassing.

So much so that they’ve turned to scoring their own runs for themselves.

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on Apr 18, 2008 9:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess this would be

“Random Notes After a Drawn-Out, Devastatingly Painful Beating”.

i don’t actually know of a proverb that results in an ace of clubs in someone’s ass. -Dex

by JBRO on Apr 18, 2008 11:31 AM PDT to parent up   1 recs

I stayed in bed

...coulda come down to play in the open thread because I was awake and watching, but then I knew I would never get to sleep after. What a freaking GAME! I was giggling so much at Matt and Mud.
Josh Bard was a stud.

The rest of team sucked eggs. But then, it took the Rockies all that time to score AND a couple of errors from some tired arms. It was a game of endurance.

And 1300 comments in one thread when I wasn’t even there? Priceless. This place is taking off!!

by Christina on Apr 18, 2008 7:46 AM PDT   0 recs

to be fair...

we saw the equivalent of 2 1/2 games so it was more like 520 per game.

by Dex on Apr 18, 2008 8:03 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I needed more than 2 hours of sleep

So I had to catch the wrap-up on Sportscenter before work.

Really tore the sutures out of my game 163 wound.

I feel bad for anyone I encounter today.

by Dalton on Apr 18, 2008 7:49 AM PDT   0 recs

Seriously

Everyone better stay the f*ck away from me.

"All the big fellas in baseball are gonna get scrawny and weak like those stat geeks that nobody likes." -- Roger Clemens

by TheGrandHatching on Apr 18, 2008 9:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm so glad I wasn't drinking last night.

If I were hungover I’d be in real trouble today.

by Drama on Apr 18, 2008 9:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There's always tonight.

Time to get back up on that horse.

That very drunk horse.

by Dalton on Apr 18, 2008 9:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Did anyone else go?

I sat for 22 innings from the 6th row behind 1st. I heckled Matt Holliday (which brought me some joy) all 9 times he came to the plate.

I’m exhausted. Our offense needs a complete overhaul.

by RBS on Apr 18, 2008 8:47 AM PDT   0 recs

i was there

until the bottom of the 16th. then i got tired of our offense sucking so i left.

"i kinda feel like nevin and klesko were some fling we (the padres) had in the past and now realize were a bad idea and are embarrassed about."

by freelunch on Apr 18, 2008 9:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i was there

for 15.
if my dad hadnt made us leave who knows what would of happened to me
ive never prayed so much in a baseball game for one basehit before

"Heroes are people who are all good with no bad in them."
Mickey Mantle

by iLOVEkouz5 on Apr 18, 2008 10:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Serious question here.

Did he ever end up touching the plate?

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 18, 2008 10:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, was jw.

I would imagine he heard about it everytime he went to bat this series….

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 18, 2008 10:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I seriously woke up this morning

and thought the whole thing was a dream. A cruel, awful dream.

by matto619 on Apr 18, 2008 9:50 AM PDT   0 recs

The more

I think about that game, the sicker I feel. What a disgusting effort. I guess I’d feel slightly better if I knew Towers and Co. felt the same. But I have a feeling they feel comfortable with things as they are. A great defense is fine, but ultimately you still need to score.

by sacpadre on Apr 18, 2008 10:16 AM PDT   0 recs

Oh Boy

Why did I know that this place would be full of chicken littles? Not that I was happy seeing the team only score one run last night, but I think we need to take stock of the situation. I pointed this out before, but, we have played ten games in by far the lowest scoring park in the league, and six games in LA and SF, which aren’t exactly high run scoring parks either. The Diamondbacks have played six games in a park that had the fifth highest park factor for runs last season, they have played two games in CIN (7th), three in COL (3rd), and three in SF. Is anyone surprised they are scoring runs, but the Padres aren’t? Then again, people seem to have a hard time grasping the fact that Petco limits offenses considerably. Our offense will be fine, and so will our pitching.

by osbug on Apr 18, 2008 10:17 AM PDT   1 recs

not to sound like a basher

but i really haven’t considered our offense fine for several years now. i think the ceiling of this offense is the offense of 2007 or 2006. and those offenses sucked.

by obviousman on Apr 18, 2008 10:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

2007

We had the fourth highest scoring offense on the road last year, and actually in 2006 also. PETCO limits offense, there is no way around that. If people can’t learn to grasp that concept, they are going to be disappointed year after year.

by osbug on Apr 18, 2008 10:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If we want to go even further back

We had the third highest scoring road offense in 2005, and the second highest scoring road offense in 2004.

by osbug on Apr 18, 2008 10:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

are you serious?

that doesn’t seem possible. maybe if you’re talking just in the NL? we have no real power hitters, no speed guys to generate runs and no RBI machines. we only had 1 guy with 100 RBIs last year. our top hitter hit .282!! and our pitching was fantastic. i feel like if our offense was that good, that we’d be unstoppable on the road.

i’m not saying that i doubt you, but if you could provide me with a link to that information i’d be interested to look through it.

by obviousman on Apr 18, 2008 11:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow RBIs, really?

Guys with 100 RBIs are overrated. And speed guys usually have a hard time generating offense. We have a couple of real power hitters but their lines are screwed by Petco. If you adjust for park effects our offenses over the last few years are middle of the pack to top 5 depending on the year. And yes we are talking about NL only. The last time I checked you didn’t have to finish ahead of any AL teams to make the playoffs.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on Apr 18, 2008 12:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

ESPN Sortable Stats. Even if you add in the AL, we were still sixth in runs scored on the road last year. Seventh the year before that. Our team generally has better offenses than they are given credit for.

by osbug on Apr 18, 2008 12:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

*three games in Cincy

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 18, 2008 10:24 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I forgot about March

Point still stands =)

by osbug on Apr 18, 2008 10:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I understand how Petco works, what I'm angry about is the gaffes

Whether it was McAnulty or Hoffman, that was inexcusably stupid baserunning. And, in the end, it helped cost the Padres a game. When you play in an environment where runs are so expensive, you can’t make those sorts of basic errors.

by goose1 on Apr 18, 2008 10:30 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh I agree

Like I said, that was a tough game. But our offense will be fine.

by osbug on Apr 18, 2008 10:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

From BP (the free part)
Stupid Third-Base Coach Tricks

by Joe Sheehan

I have got to be the last person east of Yuma watching this baseball game.

As I write this, the Padres and Rockies are headed into the bottom of the 17th inning in San Diego, tied 1-1. The game was scoreless through 13, but the teams traded runs in the 14th, with both stranding the bases loaded in the process. With the pitchers involved at this point, it’s quite the indictment of both teams’ lineups-sorry, you can’t lay this one at the feet of Petco Park-that the game is still being played. Wil Ledezma has thrown three shutout innings, which I believe is the first time he’s done so since Double-A.

Really, the game should have ended in the 13th, with only a rock by Pads’ third-base coach keeping it from heading that way. Leading off the inning, Paul McAnulty pulled a ball into the right-field corner, an easy double leading off the inning. So easy, in fact, that McAnulty, who looks a bit like Matt Stairs at a similar age, was decelerating as he pulled into second base. Glenn Hoffman, though, had another idea, and waved McAnulty, who, remember, looks a bit like Matt Stairs at a similar age, on to third base. He was out by the distance between Hoffman and good judgment.

We spend a fair amount of time debunking conventional wisdom at Baseball Prospectus, but one hoary saying that holds up is this: you don’t make the first or third out of an inning at third base. The second part is fairly easy-when you need a hit to score a run, and the baserunner needn’t worry about being doubled off, the difference between being on second and being on third is small enough that risking making an out to gain a base is a bad play. With no one out, you already have a very positive situation-runner on second, no one out-so risking an out to gain a base is a mistake.

(Top of the 18th, by the way. This will be posted while baseball is still being played. If Ledezma survives Troy Tulowitzki, Todd Helton and Matt Holiday-again-I might save a downballot Cy Young vote for him.)

Put in more concrete terms, with a runner on second and no one out, you have a 62.5% chance of scoring one run. With a runner on third and no one out, you have an 82.7% chance of scoring one run. With one out and no one on, you have a 16.5% chance of scoring one run. (All numbers in the aggregate, taken from Baseball Between the Numbers.) Now, I’m no Dan Fox-we’ll miss you, buddy-but I’m pretty sure that to make that gamble make sense in Petco Park in the 13th inning of a scoreless game, you have to be safe approximately 142% of the time.

Paul McAnulty, who looks a bit like Matt Stairs at a similar age, came a bit short of that.

I have no idea what Hoffman was thinking. None. It was one of the more inexplicable sends I’ve seen in a long time. It caught everyone in the park by surprise except for Brad Hawpe, Clint Barmes and Garret Atkins, who combined to cut down McAnulty. If you just let McAnulty, with his one triple and no steals in the last two years, stop at second, you bunt with Joe Thatcher or a pinch-hitting starter and take your chances with the top of the lineup and the Rockies in a seven-man infield. What you gain by trying to stretch a slow runner to third in that situation-when you’re going to bunt him over anyway-isn’t remotely worth the risk.

(Walk, single, GIDP, and poor Ryan Speier is left to fend for himself, striking out on four pitches. Go Wil Ledezma.)

We don’t spend too much time analyzing the decisions that third-base coaches make. It’s the kind of things fans of a local team will complain about, because they watch every inning of every game, and occasionally a Wendell Kim or someone will gain a reputation. Because so many of the decisions are made on the fly, we tend to yield a lot of ground, not be as critical as we are with players, managers and GMs. Still, because of the run impact of their decisions, a third-base coach is in position to impact a lot of scoring over the course of a year. They make high-leverage decisions, and when they make the wrong ones, teams pay. Hoffman made a decision tonight, a terrible one, that reduced the Padres’ chances of winning considerably, and at the very least has contributed to screwing up the bullpen and exhausting the team.

We go to the 19th. What time does the Cubs game start?

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on Apr 18, 2008 11:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Even moreso

"I was tied to a chair and he had a baseball bat. Pissing him off was the smart thing to do."

by DbacksSkins on Apr 18, 2008 10:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes, they are kinda good.

But not so good that they are the highest scoring team in the majors. If they do stay as the highest scoring team in the majors for the whole season, we need to take a long hard look at that wild card spot.

by osbug on Apr 18, 2008 12:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure

But I don’t think they’re going to have to be the highest scoring team in the majors to win the NL West – consistent offensive production will get it done. Right now, their lineup looks plenty capable of doing that. Ours has, unfortunately, not yet shown that capability. Fingers, toes and eyes crossed.

by Winfield's Ghost on Apr 18, 2008 12:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

True

I have my doubts about their pitching keeping up once the weather warms up in Arizona and balls start leaving the park on a much more consistent basis though. I think both their offense and pitching will cool off a bit, and bring them back to earth (then again, that was thought about them all last year). I know they have a good team, but so do we.

by osbug on Apr 18, 2008 12:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

AZ

Here is what scares me. While our pitching is very close to theirs (depending on how Wolf/Germano and Owings/Johnson holdup) and their bullpen might be a tick better. Last year, the offense was about even with ours and they probably get a better Jackson performance and a worse Byrnes performance, but none of our players can sniff the offensive upside of Upton and Young. That and Hudson is probably as good or better than any non-Adrian player we have. Defensively our biggest advantage is Khalil (way) over Drew and AGo (way) over Jackson. Kouz might be better than Reynolds, but Hudson is better than Tad. They are definitely not worlds better than us, but enough so that if we don’t have a high winning percentage in close games we probably won’t have the juice to catch them.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on Apr 18, 2008 12:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think our starting pitching beats theirs

And that’s no offense to those guys cause they’re really good. I just go down the line 1 through 5 and it’s tough to make a case for any of their pitchers over any of our pitchers at any slot.

by Dex on Apr 18, 2008 1:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fair enough

VORP-wise Haren was better than Young last year and considering the early struggles for Young I have no objection to anyone saying Haren is the better #2. Of course maybe Wolf is better than both this year and Young just has to be better than Owings/Johnson.

I watched all 23 innings and all I got was this lousy signature.

by Wonko on Apr 18, 2008 1:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess I'm in the minority here

When I think back to last night’s game, I just think about how epic it was. We blew it at the end, but we get back on the field again later today. Love baseball!

by jbox on Apr 18, 2008 10:48 AM PDT   0 recs

I agree

It was epic. I have to say I got tired around the 16th or 17th inning, but then it was cool to see how long I could stay up. It was just frustrating to see the Padres go 22 innings and get 1 run.

by sacpadre on Apr 18, 2008 10:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why couldn't you have just dropped that ball in the 9th?

Or let it hit your head and go over the wall? You could’ve saved us a lot of heartache.

by Winfield's Ghost on Apr 18, 2008 10:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Minority Retort

Would love to be on the winning end of a Padres/Rockies epic.

by Dalton on Apr 18, 2008 10:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

But hey!

We made ESPN.

by Dalton on Apr 18, 2008 11:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And also

You didn’t put a “Go Padres!” at the start of the open thread. I told you that worried me.

Starting to blame you more and more…

by Winfield's Ghost on Apr 18, 2008 11:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I enjoyed it.

But I am a baseball fan first, then a Padres fan. That was a fun, even if frustrating, game to watch.

by osbug on Apr 18, 2008 12:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

it was an epic game.

for some reason i loved watching last night’s game. sure i got tired, but it was worth watching.

Laura

by padparazzi on Apr 18, 2008 3:08 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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