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Peavy supports two big cheaters

Peavy supports Clemens, Bonds:

I don't know what the truth is about these guys and I don't really care. These guys are my buddies before anything else. Friendship is friendship.

I really hate reading this stuff.  It reminds me of when Gwynn would support Bonds and McGwire.  Bonds used to crack on Gwynn all the time for being fat and slow and Gwynn would always take the high road praise and Bonds.  That's fine, but he would also insist that Bonds and McGwire belonged in the Hall of Fame.  The Hall of Fame should have no place for cheaters.

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If Jake Peavy truly loves the game of baseball wouldn't he be upset with his two "buddies" who have disgraced the game and its storied history?  What kind of friends are those?  It'd be different if Bonds and Clemens told the truth and came clean, forgiveness is an admirable trait. I can't understand publicly supporting them and claiming not to care about their actions when they did irreversible damage to the relationship between the league and its fans and continue to lie about it.

 

Not to mention if these guys really are Peavy's friends wouldn't he consider the effects that years of steroid use has done to their bodies?  Wouldn't he care about their health?

Peavy your friends cheated and you want to pretend it didn't happen and don't want to know about it.  Friends shouldn't blindly support each other, they should help them follow the righteous path.  They're the ones that need role models.

Peavy recalled. "Me and Barry being buddies, I wanted to take care of him in his old ballpark. I wanted to give him as good a send-off as he could have. That being said, I couldn't throw cookies up there all night because we had to win. But we were able to get a 9-2 lead, and I'm facing Barry knowing this was going to be his last at-bat.

"At that point, I knew we were going to win that game and he knew I was going to give him a good pitch to hit. He didn't have to guess what was coming: a fastball. He took a good shot at it and just missed it. We had a good little exchange there. We would've done that whether it had been on the field or not. But he wanted the fans to be a part of us paying our respect to each other."

Major League Baseball is about competition it's not about helping a friend of an opposing team hit a home run for the enemy crowd.  I lost a lot of respect for Peavy here.  That's not the right way to play the game.  Bonds should appreciate competition not a cookie thrown his way.  Do you think Bonds would help Peavy reach a strike out record by striking out on purpose?  Not a chance in hell.  Bonds and Clemens only look out for themselves.  These are two friends that Peavy needs to keep his distance from because they aren't good role models for him.

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Yeah, that irritated me
when I read it. A lot of the things Jake says and does have that effect on me... seems our boy's got a bit of the bitch in him. I have the feeling I'd really hate him if he weren't a Padre.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 19, 2008 7:10 PM PDT   0 recs

Sooooo...
sounds like I should be the official P.R. rep for The Club.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 20, 2008 12:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also, concerning The Bonds Incident,
it seems like there would be something in the rule book prohibiting that sort of crap. I'm glad he didn't get suspended but he sure as hell should have.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 19, 2008 7:31 PM PDT   0 recs

a agree to a point....
but you can't fault the guy for being loyal. Its really goddamn lame, but steriods were a part of the culture these young players grew up in. So, to them, its as big of a "friend deal-breaker" as it would be to you or me.  For example, i have a few friends who do some illegal and/or unhealthy things. Thats their prerogative, because they are adults. I still love them to death. Yeah it sucks that people make bad choices but it doesnt take away from the relationship you develop. Saying Peavy should have stopped Bonds from using if he was his friend is just, well, retarded. These are grown men who make their own life decisions and i think all Peavy was saying is that "I don't know what the truth is about these guys and I don't really care. These guys are my buddies before anything else. Friendship is friendship."

If 30-40% of baseball was taking steroids then EVERYONE in baseball had a friend who was taking steroids. Don't dog on Peavy because his friends happen to be "talented" cheaters.

That being said, DUCK Bonds and Clemens.

by soulSD on Mar 19, 2008 8:04 PM PDT   0 recs

typeo
So, to them, it *ISNT* as big of a "friend deal-breaker"

by soulSD on Mar 19, 2008 8:06 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I didn't say he should stop Bonds from using
or to stop being their friend.  But you don't defend somebody's actions because they are a friend.

In your example of a friend that uses illegal drugs.  You don't have to disown them but you don't publicly support them blindly when you know (even though don't want to know) that they are doing something wrong.

by jbox on Mar 19, 2008 8:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dude, its not like he called the press conference
to talk about it. Furthermore, I never saw one quote in that article that says "i defend them using steroids". In fact, i think he repeats twice that he doesnt know or care if they did. What i got out of the article was that he supports his friends because he is their friend. He's not support their actions.

"I wish there was more talk about that than there is about them. To see a buddy like Roger have to go through something like this, it's aggravating. I know he's a great person, a great individual. And he's being very good to me and my family."

Im sure for a baseball player that saw a third of the guys he played with at one point use roids, its frustrating to see two of your friends get all the blame for it.

 

by soulSD on Mar 19, 2008 8:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

as much as i dislike bonds and clemens
and i do, a ton. i tend to agree with soulsd. he is just sticking up for his boys and they are in the wrong there is no debating that. but if these are his close friends he has every right to defend them. i know that i would, like soulsd said x number of major leaguers used and these two although somewhat deservingly are taking all the blame and the d-bag known as jose canseco is looking like a somewhat decent human being

by thepadfather on Mar 19, 2008 9:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Say what?!?!
Jose Canseco is looking like a somewhat decent human being?!?! Can I borrow your glasses? Because anything that makes one think that Canseco is anything besides the lowest form of life is better than any drug I've ever done.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 19, 2008 9:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i was being sarcastic
but my point was that he has been swept under the rug compared to bonds, and clemens.

by thepadfather on Mar 19, 2008 9:47 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What records
did his sorry ass break?
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 19, 2008 9:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

that is a dumb question
everyone knows he lead major league baseball in assisted homeruns off the head.

by thepadfather on Mar 19, 2008 9:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hahaha
Way to make this civil again.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 19, 2008 9:54 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i do what i can
i just dont want to harp on what jake said when all of this time we could have been talking about how much i miss tersledge.

by thepadfather on Mar 19, 2008 10:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If that's how you feel
then go to Japan and support him in person.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 19, 2008 10:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i tried!
to sneak on the a's plane over there but for some reason i got turned away. they said i wasn't athletic enough (all puns intended)

by thepadfather on Mar 19, 2008 11:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Lies...
I heard you wouldn't go unless you got an equal stipend.

by Drama on Mar 20, 2008 7:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Speaking of
Major League Baseball, your wonderful, beautiful, talented niece came in fif in her school's spelling bee- she got out on the word "league"; she got overconfident and blurted it out in a hurry and forgot the "u".
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 19, 2008 9:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

aud-even
is my favorite i love that kid

by thepadfather on Mar 19, 2008 10:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

There's one thing
we can agree on. Finally!
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 19, 2008 10:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

re: "doesn't know or care if they did"
Some kind of friend. I'd care if my pal was hurting his own body and ruining my profession in one fail swoop. Unless, of course... "No; no, he couldn't have!" I'm not saying Jake dabbled in steroids, but this crap adds to my suspicions.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 19, 2008 9:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Dude
I never saw one quote in my post where I said he defended using steroids either.  

But he did say he doesn't care about truth, so really he's saying he doesn't care if they used steroids.  Maybe it doesn't bother him as it relates to their friendships but I would think it should bother him as a clean MLB player who wants fair competition.

by jbox on Mar 19, 2008 11:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Which supports my theory?
that Peavy shot up? Is that your implication?

?

?

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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 19, 2008 11:34 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey, sweetheart.
What's your take on this?
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 19, 2008 11:41 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

IDK
I think Peavy is kinda a douche sometimes. Like he and Brad Penny would get along. Seriously if Drama, Brady Penny, and Jake Peavy all went out one weekend, it would get pretty crazy.

by sdsuaztec4 on Mar 20, 2008 12:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, he's a straight-up redneck.
I get the feeling that he covers Johnny Rebel on his acoustic.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 20, 2008 12:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Nah....
My cover band does more Jesus & Mary Chain, X and Buzzcocks stuff.

by Drama on Mar 20, 2008 7:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm all about people standing up for their friends
or whatever but yeah, this is just another classic case of Jake opening his mouth when it was absolutely unnecessary. Also, it'd be another thing if the friends he's standing up for weren't such colossal jackasses. He loses points in my book for befriending either of them in the first place, steroids or not.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 19, 2008 8:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's just an insiders vs. outsiders mentality
I really think Jake isn't talking about steroids and the game as much as he's talking about media circuses.  

Bonds and Clemens are two guys who play Jake's sport and have for a long, long time--he's not exactly going to take the side of Brian McNamee, a bunch of douchey Congressman, a silly hearing, and a whole lot of press and reporters who probably seem just as craven and self-serving and difficult as Bonds and Clemens...

Yeah, I wish Jake would keep it to himself, too--but I'm hardly shocked.  Guys in baseball stick up for other players, army guys stick up for army guys, my hometown is better than your hometown, my Shiite militia is better than your Sunni insurgency.  The kind of tribal love that makes the world go round!

by goose1 on Mar 19, 2008 10:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If there's one thing I've learned from all of this
It's that steroids and HGH aren't bad for you.

by Dex on Mar 20, 2008 6:16 AM PDT   0 recs

Jake
A couple of things on this...

The first is a point jbox touched on in the comments...if I'm a player that only relies on my talent and work ethic (Jake)...then I should absolutely hate a guy (Barry, Roger, etc.) that is using to get an advantage that helps him hurt me or my team. F**k that guy. Do it the clean way...do it the right way. If your best can't beat my best unless you have an illegal advantage, you're a fraud and an embarrassment to my sport.

Second point, and I've said this in one way or another since I started posting on the GLB...Jake is not the brightest bulb on the Jumbotron. He proves it time and time again. Whether it's in trying to strike everybody out, causing a stir about his contract during a critical time in the stretch run or defending a-holes like Bonds and Clemens...he constantly steps on his crank.

"Don't think; it can only hurt the ballclub."

He still has blue eyes that are like staring into an endless crystal clear pond in the middle of a beautiful desert oasis. (That was just for you PGFL44.)

by Drama on Mar 20, 2008 8:15 AM PDT   0 recs

They're probably just contacts.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 20, 2008 9:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It reminds me of Edmund Burke's quote
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"

I know guys like Jake and Tony want to be stand up guys and not stir the pot, but someone needs to take a stand.  I'm not asking Jake to be an anti-Bonds spokesperson, but don't support the guy either.  I think the support creates an apathy over the use of steroids.  After all, if by the book guys don't care, and even promote the status of steroid users, then what is the big deal about using them?

I'd like to see Jake say something to the effect like, "As much as I like and respect Barry, if he did use steroids, then he needs to suffer the consequences." You don't have to throw the guy under the bus to take issue with his actions.  But you also don't need to slip Jesus' sandals on the guy either.  

by sacpadre on Mar 20, 2008 9:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well said
Very nicely put sacpadre.

by jbox on Mar 20, 2008 10:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jake
Which is supposed to come first, Jake the human being or Jake the baseball player?

If you find out that your friend is taking money out of the register at work, are you going to run straight to the boss and do the right thing?

http://thesacrificebunt.com/

by Lankford on Mar 20, 2008 10:02 AM PDT   0 recs

It depends...
Is my birthday coming up? What kind of present can I expect?

by Dex on Mar 20, 2008 10:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Also
I don't associate with petty thieves.

by Dex on Mar 20, 2008 10:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Well, duh.
You make your friend buy your silence.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 20, 2008 10:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ummm...little different scenario there.
No one is asking him to hand over syringes with Bonds or Clemens DNA on them. We're just asking him to not...as sacpadre says..."slip Jesus' sandals on the guy either".

by Drama on Mar 20, 2008 10:12 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

no shortage of disgrace...
...in the game and its storied history; just sayin'.

by Geoff on Mar 20, 2008 10:26 AM PDT   0 recs

Right
but there is no reason to publicly support those who took part in it.

by jbox on Mar 20, 2008 10:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed
But Ty Cobb and Cap Anson got plenty of public support, and still do (though not as much, now that we know a little better).

Heck, a lot of us still support the late Ken Caminiti.

by Geoff on Mar 21, 2008 7:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Cammy
It makes me a total hypocrite...but I can't not support him.

by Drama on Mar 21, 2008 7:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He gets points from
me for being honest about it when he had nothing to gain from that.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 21, 2008 7:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Cammy
Most of us have read this...but for anyone who may have missed it...this is an amazing article about him.
It is so worth the read.

by Drama on Mar 21, 2008 8:21 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Damn it, Drama
Now I've got tears welling up at work.
mlb gameday found here.

by TheGrandHatching on Mar 21, 2008 8:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Same here.
Thanks.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 21, 2008 9:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

come on now
We don't really have to spell out the differences among Caminiti, Bonds, Clemens, Cobb and Anson do we?

Two of those guys were bigots.
Two of those guys are hypocritical liars.
One of those guys was not a total asshole.

by Dex on Mar 23, 2008 6:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Storied...
an anagram for 'steroid'.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 20, 2008 10:54 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm picturing
a little kid with a Padres hat getting tucked in and his mother asking in a Bronx accent "which cheek, honey?"
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev

by TheThirdGonzalez on Mar 22, 2008 4:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

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