Padres Links: Peavy trade, Hoffman talks, Vasgersian's replacement
by jbox on Nov 7, 2008 8:58 AM PST
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Towers: Peavy train out of SD has left the station
I don't know about you but this whole Peavy trade has gotten pretty confusing. I just wish somebody could build on the train analogy...
"We're not in control of the speed or the train," Peavy's agent, Barry Axelrod, said in a telephone interview. "The only thing we've got is a brake."
Peavy throws a curveball into Padres' trade talks with Braves
Peavy doesn't want the Padres to get Escobar if he is traded to the Braves. Peavy is just making so many friends in San Diego right now.
“Escobar's a pretty good player,” Axelrod said. “To be honest, Jake and I have said, 'If that kind of trade gets made, who plays short for them?'”
Cubs make bold move in Peavy sweepstakes
I don't know about you but this does not sound like enough.
The Padres have asked the Cubs for right-hander Jeff Samardzija as the headliner of a package that could include outfielder Felix Pie, pitcher Sean Marshall and infielder Ronny Cedeno. Other potential pieces, another source said, were pitcher Kevin Hart and minor-league pitcher Donnie Veal.
Hoffman wants to talk to Moores before deciding on Padres' offer
“Trevor would like to talk to them about the direction of the team and whatever his role is,” said Hoffman's longtime agent, Rick Thurman.
The direction? They are going to tell you they are going with a youth movement in order to be better in a few years, that will be long after you're gone, so don't worry about that. Your role? Closer.
Towers said that he and Alderson would meet with Trevor but that Moores' would likely be out of town. You know how every evil dictator on the planet has doubles to fill in for him, that's what Moores should get.
Speaking of doubles, the search for Vasgersian's replacement has started:
“I don't want to replicate Matt; I don't think we're going to be able to, frankly,” Nichols said. “And I don't want to set myself up for those horrible comparisons. It's going to be those things plus somebody who has their own style, their own unique personality and whatever comes with that.
Also Giles' option is supposedly going to be picked up today so we'll await news of that.
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I posted a fanshot
of the Escobar thing, and I think that’s totally weak. He wants to go, but he’s going to veto the deal if they lose a starting player? It’s not like Jake doesn’t think he’s a great player that’s highly valuable. How in the hell does he expect the Padres to trade him (again, this is his desire) if they can’t get what he’s worth?
I’m really starting to sour on Jake.
by Phantom on Nov 7, 2008 9:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
maybe he's just trying to make the FO look bad
Either they keep him because Peavy will only allow trades where we don’t get anything in return and the FO makes the smart decision that it’s not worth it. Or the FO makes a stupid trade and doesn’t get enough in return, thus the FO getting most of our hatred.
by DougOLis on Nov 7, 2008 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Axelrod's statment about Escobar
That would seem to me to be an indicator that he doesn’t want really want to go to ATL. And it sets up the framework if he goes to LA for Axelrod to say “Well, we gave the Padres a long list of teams and they chose LA. Don’t be mad at Jake.” Such a game.
And I’ll say it again – we aren’t going to get in return near what was originally discussed. All of this discussion in the media by both sides has really undercut the team’s leverage.
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 7, 2008 9:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yankees
Seem like the only viable team at this point. The are rich enough talent-wise for them to provide good value to the Padres for Peavy, without their team being gutted. This whole affair is becoming tiresome. For once I am sympathizing with KT.
by sacpadre on Nov 7, 2008 9:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kinda sounds like
Peavy feels that Escobar is essential to his success in Atlanta if he were to come to the Braves, and not necessarily just being a picky eater. After all, he is a Gold-Glove caliber shortstop; Brent Lillibridge would be the successor, and Omar Infante can also play short, but neither of them have the range, arm, and run-protecting ability that Escobar does. If I were a major-league pitcher, I’d sure feel better about having a guy like Escobar patrolling short behind me too.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Nov 7, 2008 9:12 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Maybe the Escobar thing is just a great big ploy for Peavy to stay in San Diego?
Or am I being too nice to Jake?
"If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself." - Bob Dylan
by JollyWaffle on Nov 7, 2008 9:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
But Jake doesn't need a ploy
he can just say “i’m staying”.
by jbox on Nov 7, 2008 9:22 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
its a ploy to go to the Dodgers...
Why are the Pads not talking to the Angels? I would imagine that they would have some interest in Peavy and Peavy would be willing to go there (good team, poor division, neutral stadium, wouldn’t have to move).
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Nov 7, 2008 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Angels would be nice.
I like them well enough, I could still root for Peavy.
Plus they have a pretty nice farm system to grab prospects from.
Anywho
by sacpadre on Nov 7, 2008 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jake Peavy is a steal!
Not only do you get a Cy Young caliber pitcher, you get a General Manager as well. think of the savings.
Dear Jake,
If the Braves are willing to part with Escobar to get you, chances are they feel that they can win without him, or they’re planning other moves on the shortstop front. They are not involved in a plot with San Diego to trade for you so that they can suck again just to punk you. It will not make you look any better if the Padres suck because they got screwed on the deal when you got traded. They already suck. There will be no “curse of the Peavino” talk where the Padres’ lack of future WS appearances is blamed on trading you for a box of crackerjacks and a bat boy. Get over yourself and get on the friggin’ train.
If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly
by Boilermaker19 on Nov 7, 2008 10:53 AM PST reply actions 10 recs
Can we make it dark green?
Homer: Ohhhh, The Denver Broncos.
Marge: Whats wrong with the Denver Broncos?
Homer: Marge you just don't understand football.
by Wonko on Nov 7, 2008 5:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
testify!
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 7, 2008 1:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If one had control of the brake?
Wouldn’t that give you control of the speed?
by DougOLis on Nov 7, 2008 11:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I done with Jake
I’m with TTG, eff him in his effin’ a!
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 7, 2008 1:14 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
really?
he just signed on for the SD Discount, and then the GM turns around and is shopping his ace pitcher with the great contract.
why should Jake give an inch here. the padres just stuck a knife in his back.
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For a guy with a full no trade clause
who could have ended this conversation months ago, he’s pretty bold for him and his agent trying to dictate which specific players the padres can trade for and that Jake was the most potent part of the offense. He’s a dick, eff him.
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 7, 2008 2:37 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
again.
he just signed on for his prime years, and then the organization came t him and said we don’t want you ..
what is he supposed to say ..
“Well i am staying!”?
would you work for a place that doesn’t want you
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 2:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I wouldn't work for someone who didn't want me
especially if said company planned on downsizing for the foreseeable future.
by The Kipper on Nov 7, 2008 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Padres did everything they could
to make Jake happy. He was the one that started bitching about “wanting to play for a winner” and not wanting to be around for rebuilding.
To pretend that somehow the FO just got this idea is ludicrous. Jake started all of this by running his damn mouth once again.
The Padres bent over backwards and gave him a great contract. He didn’t have to accept it if he didn’t want it. I guarantee you the Padres didn’t sign Jake to this contract with the intention of shipping him off in a year.
I understand that it sucks that Jake’s gonna go. But it could make the team much better if we get the right pieces back. And it probably makes the team better just by the virtue of having some payroll flexibility over the next few years. But again, the FO couldn’t foresee the Moores divorce or Peavy’s petulance.
by Phantom on Nov 7, 2008 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
running his mouth
the team lost 99 games .. you expected him to be happy?
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 2:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Was Jake the only one on the 99 loss team?
Or was it the entire organization? This is another “me first” move a la Wally Joyner.
Professionals: Everyone who’s on the team, not bitching.
Unprofessional: Jake Peavy
Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you?
by Axion on Nov 7, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Peavy continues to say that his first choice is to stay in SD...
The FO is cutting payroll and need to fill holes trading peavy solves both…
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Nov 7, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
six months ago ..
and all season long … we were told that the our wonderful drafts would be used to fill these holes.
now apparently the drafts didn’t fill a damn thing?
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Who in the system is readt to fill in the 3 spots left in the rotation?
Fill in for Greene if he is still completely lost at the plate and play CF?
Headley and Antonelli were the only two high level padres prospects in the system. Inman, Latos, Hunter, Blanks, Canham, Kulbacki and Decker are all a year or two away from even sniffing a ML feild.
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Nov 7, 2008 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we have a SS
signed. a pretty darn good glove too. Ideal if you are building your team around pitching and defense.
We also have CF options .. two of them.
the only holes this team has is 2B, and a few pitcher slots, most of which could be filled in house .. Heck there is an abundance of cheap 2B on the market..
as for the prospects that are a year away, let’s not forget, this front office has already written off next season. By the time this organization is ready to compete again, it will be 2010,2011 … and Jake would be here as the ace.
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if Green hits .213 again or gets hurt (as he is prone to do) who will play SS every day?
Whos going to play SS in 2010?
Also who are the two CF’s Guret will prob end up being more of a corner guy, and Hairston and Venable have not proven to be every day CF’s at this point.
I’m not saying im for the Padres trading Peavy, I think its a total salary dump and complete and utter crap after the Pads told us that once they get out from the financial shackles known as Quallcomm they would be able to keep their own players im just saying how the FO is looking at this.
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Nov 7, 2008 3:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Whos going to play SS in 2010?
we have that same question whether Peavy is here or not.
and yes, Gerut and Venable can handle CF just fine.
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont disagree with you but you are missing the point of my post...
…this is more of a salary dump than anything else and the FO is trying to justify it by saying they want to make the team better by using him to fill the “holes.”
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Nov 7, 2008 3:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree it a salary dump
but i don’t have to like the line of BS this front office dishing out.
The padre front office has never worked through the media. Sandy Alderson is famous for not letting on his intentions. Now it seems like they, and i do mean they, all three of them, are making this trade through the papers everyday.
they are trying to put this whole ordeal on Peavy, paint him to be the dick, and it’s apparently working.
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just Fine?
Maybe we are tired of just fine.
Homer: Ohhhh, The Denver Broncos.
Marge: Whats wrong with the Denver Broncos?
Homer: Marge you just don't understand football.
by Wonko on Nov 7, 2008 5:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Totally agree
Not that much to rebuild, besides 2B ( Denker may be a nice surprise to all of us ), a 3 spots in the rotation and a better bullpen. Wait, that is kind of alot, but still why would you get rid of a staff ace and replace him with unproven commodities?
by The Kipper on Nov 7, 2008 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yea
Nobody said drafts would fill holes immediately.
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 7, 2008 3:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
again with these holes.
2B and a few pitcher slots.. thats it.
there is a butt load of 2B on the market, and SP’s are lining up to come work in petco, cheaply ..
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong!
Peavy’s desire to leave > the Fo’s desire to unload his contract. Yeah right. How can you believe this? The FO speaks directly to you, on a weekly basis. They’ve made their intentions clear, it’s a salary dump. Painting Peavy as an asshole or a dick or a jerk isn’t a very clever response to the situation. Peavy pitched his heart out in San Diego and if he’s moving on to greener pastures, best of luck.
by The Kipper on Nov 7, 2008 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed ..
its pissing me off seeing all these padre fans put the blame for this whole disaster on Peavy .
so he shot off at the mouth a little after 99 losses. Hell, I excepted somebody on this team to do so.
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
The guy who says he is the most potent part of the offense and the guy who has the audacity to dictate to the front office which specific players they are allowed to trade him for
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 7, 2008 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
you mean his agent ..
for all we know, Jake Peavy is on a fishing trip.
have you heard Peavy speak?
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 3:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You do understand that agents work for players, right?
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 7, 2008 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
sure ..
but when Scott Boras speaks, i don’t attribute his every word to A Rod or Manny.
the agent has a job to do, and it is to look out for his players best interests.
Right now, the team he is signed for does not have his players best interest in mind.
if you want to be upset at Axelrod, fine. But last time i checked, Peavy hasn’t called a press conference and tossed the padres, or their fans, under the bus.
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What Peavy has done
is consitently pitched well for the San Diego Padres with every intention of helping this team win a title… I
If people are unable to appreciate that then why the hell does it matter who we have on this team. How about a 25 man roster of average players who are just there to collect a paycheck, no matter what the FO has in store for them. How does that sound?
by The Kipper on Nov 7, 2008 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I appreciate
Jake Peavy just fine. I have a jersey of his. I love the guy. But just because he’s pitched well doesn’t mean he’s infallible. He’s acting like a prima donna right now, and it pisses me off. I’d love for the team to keep him, but Jake has no interest in sticking around through some tough times. I’m sorry that the Padres couldn’t guarantee Peavy five years of playoff teams when they signed him, but if anybody in baseball knows the formula to five straight playoff appearances on a mid-market payroll, I’d sure as hell love to hear it.
The one thing I always loved most about Tony was that he was a humble guy. Even when his own dad told him to bail on the team for more money and better opportunity, he made a concious decision to honor his committment to the team and us as fans. And I guarantee you that his desire to be a Padre, just as much as his ability, are the reasons why he’s been deified in San Diego.
I’d have a whole lot more respect for Jake if he hadn’t publically bitched about losing. Great Jake, we get it. Nobody likes to lose. But he’s not the GM and he has no control over that. He can choose to back up his team and his fanbase, or he can bail for better opportunity. That’s completely his choice, and I don’t have to like him choosing the Dodgers or the Yankees over us.
by Phantom on Nov 7, 2008 3:42 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
THIS IS A SALARY DUMP
…a salary dump. Your beloved FO is making moves that directly pertain to a divorce settlement. This may change a few years down the road, but for now it is a reality. I believe that “the plan” in effect is the best case scenario for said situation and that we will be a competitive ballclub sooner than later. However, directing your anger towards Peavy is ridiculous and immature.
by The Kipper on Nov 7, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good
I’m glad somebody has the balls to stand up to Sandy. Just because Moores’ is going through a divorce and consequently cutting payroll doesn’t mean Peavy has to accept the fact that his team is going to suck for the next couple of years.
by The Kipper on Nov 7, 2008 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
as for that comment ..
did you notice that it had little lines in front and after …
—- “Jake carried the padres offense” —-
that usually means it was taken out of context. the scribe who wrote it didn’t want you to see what was said before and after …
just something to consider ..
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 3:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Giles' option got picked up
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 7, 2008 2:37 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i am not so sure about that ..
I guarantee you the Padres didn’t sign Jake to this contract with the intention of shipping him off in a year
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 2:41 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'll take that a step farther..
I guarantee you the Padres didn’t sign Jake to this contract with the intention of shipping him off in a year
_______________________
this has been Kevin Towers MO, since he got here … are you sure you are wiling to “guarantee” it..?
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 2:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Examples please
I never saw them trade Tony or Trevor. Klesko was never traded. You claim that this is some sort of disturbing trend. What franchise guys have we signed and then immediately traded one year later?
by Phantom on Nov 7, 2008 3:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What are the chances of Trevor being here next year?
He sure isn’t racing to get that contract signed.
by The Kipper on Nov 7, 2008 3:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on if Moores will talk to him....
by Steve (Grey Suit) on Nov 7, 2008 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
Dysfunctional is the best way to describe this organization.
by The Kipper on Nov 7, 2008 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention
he has routinely taken below market deals to stay here..
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How does that speak
to the situation I mentioned? It doesn’t. If Trevor leaves for more money, he’s doing that on his own. The team isn’t signing him and then shipping him off like wvres claims we do with every player.
by Phantom on Nov 7, 2008 3:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
two different situations
for sure ..
But Kevin Towers is known for back loading contracts, and then shipping them out. I can’t believe this is even up for debate. He calls himself the sludge merchant for crying out loud.
Peavy’s contract is back loaded .. heavily.
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And yet
you’ve neglected to give me any details. You say “I can’t believe this is even up for debate” but then you fail to cite an example of this. Hell, I know of at least one example, but I want to see if you can think for yourself or if you just spout the nonsense that gets repeated at the UT boards.
And honestly, please, show me multiple incidents where we have signed a franchise guy and traded him after one year of service. Please. I’m begging you.
by Phantom on Nov 7, 2008 3:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am walking out the door
but i will get at this later .. and no i don’t frequent the UT boards. I think i have clicked on the link maybe twice in the last three years ..
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
also
i love the fact that you can think of examples .. but hey, it never happens .. classic.
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 4:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
I can think of one example where we traded a player with a backloaded contract (Nevin). Never said I could match this whole notion of trading players a year after we sign them to a long contract. That was your assertion.
But regardless, one instance does not a trend make.
by Phantom on Nov 7, 2008 7:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What GM doesn't attempt to backload contracts?
Other than Colletti, I mean.
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 7, 2008 3:47 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Um
The FO has given him several offers, and he seems to think that this is still 1998.
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 7, 2008 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he doesnt' call him self the Sludge Merchant ..
for nothing.
go padres!
by wrveres on Nov 7, 2008 3:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd just like to point out
That you are all 100% completely wrong.
by Dalton on Nov 7, 2008 3:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Seriously
One of the worst threads ever here. Bottom five, at least.
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 7, 2008 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
Lets all head over to the Kendra Wilkinson marriage thread.
by The Kipper on Nov 7, 2008 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet I'd find better reasoned arguments over there
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 7, 2008 3:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe you should moderate your very own Padres blog
so you can determine which comments are well reasoned and delete those that are not.
by The Kipper on Nov 7, 2008 4:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is my blog
jbox and Dex had to sell because of the divorce and I was standing right there with $11.36.
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 7, 2008 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
I think I went away for about 20 minutes
and came back to all this.
Isn’t the Hot Stove AWESOME?
by Dalton on Nov 7, 2008 3:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes, I wish jbox and Dex would just close this place down in the off-season
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 7, 2008 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't give them any ideas
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 7, 2008 4:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you need to leave?
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 7, 2008 4:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey WG
I wasn’t even involved in the first 70 or so posts. Finally one of the bottom 5 has little to do with me!
Homer: Ohhhh, The Denver Broncos.
Marge: Whats wrong with the Denver Broncos?
Homer: Marge you just don't understand football.
by Wonko on Nov 7, 2008 5:33 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
LOL
I feel fairly confident that if I were to compile the Worst Posts of GLB, neither you nor your comments would be the reason for a post’s inclusion.
(That’s like two compliments in two days. I’m getting so soft.)
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 7, 2008 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't go
All this he said/Peavy said crap has made everyone grumpy, myself included.
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 7, 2008 6:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this thread made me realize why i missed this place.
can’t wait for next year’s OTs and SLPiH, hopefully everyone is still around…
(i’m only being nice and soft because i’m thoroughly smashed, election season is over so i can relax a bit. tomorrow i will come on here and call you all guy punchers)
www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com
by justdave on Nov 7, 2008 8:35 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
i was right
now that im horrifically hung-over, i hate all of you.
ESPECIALLY YOU, wg.
you owe me 5 dollars.
fiiiiiiiive dollllllarrrss mannnnnnnnnnn!
www.wellbelowthemendozaline.blogspot.com
by justdave on Nov 8, 2008 10:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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