Random Padres Thoughts on a Monday
by jbox
on Nov 17, 2008 2:20 PM PST
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- Could the Padres have handled the Trevor Hoffman situation any worse? I submit to you that they couldn't.
- If you think Hoffman is jerking you around and wasting time than tell him that in 2 weeks you are going pull the offer or renegotiate, while explaining that his decision is keeping them from making other decisions.
- It totally seems like a knee jerk reaction where the Padres FO had their ego bruised. Someone needs to tell them "it's business", they like saying it but probably wouldn't like hearing it.
- I highly doubt Trevor Hoffman will have anything to do with the Padres franchise until after Moores sells and Alderson is in a different job.
- Moores should have talked to Trevor or at least told him he didn't want to meet him. You know Hoffman didn't want to talk to Alderson, because he was going to complain about him to Moores.
- Why do we have to wait another season to move in the fences? Just do it already. They spend all of 5 minutes deciding to boot Hoffman and it takes them a year to move a fence.
- How bad does Peavy want to be traded right now? I bet his list of teams he'd accept a trade to has grown to 29.
- I wish the Padres would change their colors back to orange, brown and yellow.
- Why hasn't there been any more trade talk about Clay Hensley? That was the first trade rumor we heard of the season and he's still here.
- Our bullpen is terrible and we are in desperate need of pitching, so it doesn't make sense to get rid of Hoffman.
- If the Padres thought that their team would be competitive any time in the next two years than they would want an ace like Peavy around. The fact that they don't want him tells me they know it's going to be a long while until they expect to be good.
- I liked Padres baseball a lot better when I didn't know the names of people in the front office or the names of agents.
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- I for one like the interviews that Darren and Billy do and am sick of people complaining about them. Guess what? Trevor Hoffman and Jake Peavy are news, that's the reason why they ask a million questions about them in every interview. They should not spend all their time asking questions about minor leaguers and stats. I already can't wait for the next Sandy Alderson report.
- I hope Moores sells to a good owner. It's the least he could do at this point.
- If the Padres were The Hills, than Hoffman would be LC, Moores would be Heidi and Alderson would be Spencer. Yeah I just went there.
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i can't believe he sent a fax
was the pony express not available?
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by justdave on
Nov 17, 2008 2:36 PM PST
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They faxed Rick Thurman and KT personally called Trevor
What do you guys want? For KT to have flown to Puerto Rico and personally told him?
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 17, 2008 2:40 PM PST
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How about give him a time limit instead of just pulling it?
That seems like it would be fair to both sides.
by jbox on
Nov 17, 2008 2:43 PM PST
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It was on the table for over a month.....
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 17, 2008 2:45 PM PST
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And?
What’s the harm in giving him some warning that you’re pulling it?
by jbox on
Nov 17, 2008 2:46 PM PST
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It's just common sense that it wasn't going to be on the table forever
I’m pretty sure that Rick Thurman, being a agent and all, knew of the ramifications of not responding. You are making it out like Trevor and Thurman have zero idea of the workings and process of contract negotiations. They know how this works, they don’t need a “warning” they knew exactly what was going to happen
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 17, 2008 2:50 PM PST
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Professional courtesy
Did the Padres get notification that Trevor was filing for free agency instead of taking the offer, or did they learn like we did?
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by Axion on
Nov 17, 2008 2:51 PM PST
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taking the offer
or acknowledging it and maybe negotiating. Something.
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by Axion on
Nov 17, 2008 2:52 PM PST
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That's the thing
They didn’t even acknowledge the offer. Hoffman personally requested an audience with John Moores at twhich Thurman would be present. Whether he knew it or not, this is NOT something that an owner deals with, especially one with other issues to deal with. But I’m pretty sure they knew that would piss SA off.
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 17, 2008 2:57 PM PST
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Trevor should have signed it
assuming he was okay with the money, which I’m guessing he was. I think he was holding out in an effort to put pressure on Moores to talk to him, which totally backfired.
by jbox on
Nov 17, 2008 2:59 PM PST
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Ah
Now we’re getting somewhere. I’ll admit that SA over-reacted. BUT BUT BUT It should never have gotten that far. BUT FOR Trevor’s and Thurman’s shenanigans, Trevor would have been a Padre in 2009.
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 17, 2008 3:03 PM PST
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Yeah
all it would take would be for Moores to either talk to him or say “I’m not talking to you” so Trevor could make his decision one way or another and that’s how the Padres should have handled it. Then they could say “he’s not talking to you and we’ll either need to start negotiating or for you to make a decision this week”.
by jbox on
Nov 17, 2008 3:05 PM PST
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I've said it before
and I’m sure I’ll say it again, but two people really screwed up in this: Trevor’s agent(s) and Sandy Alderson.
Trevor’s agent clearly thought they could get away with some shenanigans. Rather than trying to deal with the agent, Alderson over-reacted (in my opinion) and just withdrew the offer. After this blew up in their face (nobody could have predicted that), Sandy then said he’d love to have meetings with anybody and everybody to save face.
Everyone screwed up here. The problem is that the team has completely bungled their PR in recent years, and that’s a serious problem. There was already apathy in the city about the Padres when they were winning at PETCO. After a 99-loss season and an off-season that’s shaping up to be truly ugly, the team has a very real problem on their hands.
I’d love to think that winning solves everything. I really would. But people complained when we were winning with Jake, Trevor, Khalil, and Giles. I can only imagine the reaction when we’re losing without the aforementioned fan favorites.
by Phantom on
Nov 17, 2008 2:56 PM PST
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Ugh, I hate to retread all this
but didn’t the timeline go:
Offer made, sat for a few weeks
Hoffman files for free agency
Offer withdrawn
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by Axion on
Nov 17, 2008 2:46 PM PST
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You're right
except it finishes with:
Major PR nightmare
by jbox on
Nov 17, 2008 2:47 PM PST
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I'm awaiting the next SAReport as well
Trevor is the one that says it’s finished :(
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by Axion on
Nov 17, 2008 2:51 PM PST
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Yah
Poor guy playing baseball for a living with tens of millions of dollars in the bank got his feelings hurt. Cry me a river.
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 17, 2008 2:53 PM PST
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At least look at it fairly
they both threw little hissy fits. Trevor’s agent “popping off” is what impacted the withdrawl or the contract.
by jbox on
Nov 17, 2008 3:00 PM PST
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Exactly
SA overrated, but it is clearly Rick Thurman who’s at fault here.
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 17, 2008 3:04 PM PST
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over-reacted*
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 17, 2008 3:05 PM PST
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Oh, clearly.
totally his fault
Hell's Bells will ring no more in Petco Park.
by Drama on
Nov 17, 2008 3:05 PM PST
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An agent popping off is nothing new
and shouldn’t be that big of a deal. I’m not sure how anybody could have seen that that comment could have ignited all of this.
by jbox on
Nov 17, 2008 3:07 PM PST
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It wasn't just that one comment
Thurman has been jerking the FO around throughout the entire process. Refusing to respond to the contract offer and requesting an audience with Moores, when they knew this wouldn’t make SA or Moores happy, is a pretty big deal. I’m sure other things happened that haven’t been reported to the media. Put yourself into the shoes of SA, i’m pretty sure you’d be tired of all their BS and posturing too. They were using Hoffman’s status as a fan favorite to gain a business advantage.
If this were ANY other player people wouldn’t care because what the FO did was correct in a business sense. And then Thurman and Hoffman play it all innocent like they had no idea what was going to happen. Yah they had no idea. They brought this upon themselves.
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 17, 2008 3:17 PM PST
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I think in this case
if you’re blaming just one side than you are wrong.
Like I said before this was a battle of egos and all they had to do was set some time lines in place and actually communicate with each other.
by jbox on
Nov 17, 2008 4:03 PM PST
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I agree that both sides are at fault
But I think that Thurman are Hoffman are comparatively more at fault than SA and the Padres FO
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 17, 2008 4:05 PM PST
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email?
a phone call?
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by justdave on
Nov 17, 2008 2:58 PM PST
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KT personally called Trevor
the Fax went to Thurman
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 17, 2008 3:00 PM PST
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"Tell the intern to dust off the ol' 14.4k modem..."
“… we’re sending this mother-effer a FACSIMILE”
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by Axion on
Nov 17, 2008 2:42 PM PST
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that was my point.
i’m resigned with what happened… i’ve given up on hoping for something better.
i just find the fax thing hilarious
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by justdave on
Nov 17, 2008 2:59 PM PST
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Should've used a telegraph
“We’re taking the offer off the table. Stop. We’re sorry. Stop. Thank you for everything you’ve done. Stop. Hope Puerto Rico was fun. Stop.”
by Winfield's Ghost on
Nov 17, 2008 3:02 PM PST
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i seriously hope they have rotary phones in their office
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by justdave on
Nov 17, 2008 4:04 PM PST
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The title of this post should have been:
jbox instigating
by Dalton on
Nov 17, 2008 2:54 PM PST
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Sorry
I was out of town, when Trevor responded and it was this or a few pages worth of fanshots.
by jbox on
Nov 17, 2008 3:03 PM PST
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This was way better
Honestly.
by Winfield's Ghost on
Nov 17, 2008 3:08 PM PST
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"Why hasn't there been any more trade talk about Clay Hensley?"
Because no one wants “that guy”?
Also – I always appreciate a reference to The Hills. Thank you. (Clay is Justin Bobby, right?)
by Winfield's Ghost on
Nov 17, 2008 3:00 PM PST
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I'm not fully up on the Hills, but
Wouldn’t Peavy be Justin Bobby? The guy that really shouldn’t be around any more, but it’s so hard to let him go? Says dumb things and hangs out with everyone you hang out with?
Maybe I’m mixing things up. I don’t watch the show much. Maybe if Time Warner would put MTV in HD.
"Whoa... You can't say stuff like that!"
"I get it Chief. I'll play ball. You just gotta blow the whistle and call the fouls. Alright?"
by Wonko on
Nov 17, 2008 4:09 PM PST
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PV is more like Brody
the party dude that everyone loves and hates at the same time
I hooked up my accelerator pedal in my car to my brake lights. I hit the gas, people behind me stop, and I'm gone.
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by iLOVEkouz5 on
Nov 17, 2008 4:43 PM PST
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It cracks me up that any of you guys have even seen an episode of The Hills. Isn’t that show intended for teenage girls?
by Richard Wade on
Nov 17, 2008 6:23 PM PST
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Well
iLOVEkouz5 IS a teenage girl
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 17, 2008 6:50 PM PST
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That excuses one member of this community.
by Richard Wade on
Nov 17, 2008 11:15 PM PST
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It is guaranteed
That any show for teenage girls that features young, attractive girls and/or women will also be watched by guys. It’s a fact of life.
"Whoa... You can't say stuff like that!"
"I get it Chief. I'll play ball. You just gotta blow the whistle and call the fouls. Alright?"
by Wonko on
Nov 17, 2008 9:46 PM PST
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its science
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by justdave on
Nov 17, 2008 10:26 PM PST
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That strikes me as a pretty lame excuse.
by Richard Wade on
Nov 17, 2008 11:15 PM PST
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actually its true
i know a lot of guys that know a surprisingly large amount about the show
and most of them are straight :P
I hooked up my accelerator pedal in my car to my brake lights. I hit the gas, people behind me stop, and I'm gone.
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by iLOVEkouz5 on
Nov 17, 2008 11:19 PM PST
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What you mean to say is that most of them haven’t come out of the closet yet.
by Richard Wade on
Nov 19, 2008 12:07 AM PST
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Because its so gay to like watching hot women
I think you got things backwards Richard.
"Whoa... You can't say stuff like that!"
"I get it Chief. I'll play ball. You just gotta blow the whistle and call the fouls. Alright?"
by Wonko on
Nov 19, 2008 9:48 AM PST
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All I know is that there are better avenues for watching hot women than watching shows intended for teenage girls.
by Richard Wade on
Nov 19, 2008 3:54 PM PST
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Trust me
I leave no avenue unsearched.
"Whoa... You can't say stuff like that!"
"I get it Chief. I'll play ball. You just gotta blow the whistle and call the fouls. Alright?"
by Wonko on
Nov 19, 2008 9:54 PM PST
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Excellent. (rec'd)
I’m actually glad I read your whole comment this time.
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by TheThirdGonzalez on
Nov 20, 2008 11:01 AM PST
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Well, I’ll grant you that. (Rec’d)
by Richard Wade on
Nov 20, 2008 6:47 PM PST
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You will be glad to know
I don’t even know what The Hills is nor do I have any intention of finding out.
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 17, 2008 11:20 PM PST
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All I know about it
I learned here.
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by TheThirdGonzalez on
Nov 18, 2008 12:24 PM PST
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We could say that about many things.
Such a painful trip...to find out this is it.
by Drama on
Nov 18, 2008 12:25 PM PST
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How to make the Hoffman situation worse
Take back that lame $14 bell they gave him after he broke the saves record, bury it behind the Petco mound, then pee on it.
by smacdown on
Nov 18, 2008 12:57 AM PST
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