Sandy Alderson discusses Hoffman's contract situation
Sandy Alderson Report Part 1 (MP3)
- Padres made an offer to Trevor in early October. Trevor's agent was unhappy that the Padres didn't respond to Trevor's request to meet with him, especially that John Moores wouldn't meet.
- The Padres had been thinking about pulling the offer before Trevor's agent's comments, but the comments "had some impact".
- The Padres are suffering through the poor economy as well.
- The Padres declined to have John Moores talk to Hoffman. Alderson agreed to meet with Trevor and if Alderson wasn't able to answer his questions then they would consider scheduling a meeting with Moores. This was communicated to Trevor.
- Alderson is still willing to meet with Trevor.
- Alderson admits that he wasn't prepared to get involved in the negotiations because last time he did there was so much drama brought about by the agent. In the last contract negotiation Alderson says "It bordered on humiliating in terms of how they approached it"
- "It's wouldn't be a surprise for John to meet with Trevor, it would be a surprise for John to meet with Trevor and his agent. That's not going to happen on my watch, because I'm not going to subject an owner to that kind of dynamic."
- Alderson, Kevin Towers and Hoffman should meet first and then go from there.
- Trevor is on a trip so he hasn't been available the last week.
- Alderson thought there was a general agreement that this negotiation would be confidential. Trevor went on a trip and Trevor's agent "starts popping off". From the Padres point of view that's a change in circumstance.
- They aren't going to trade Jake unless they get a baseball deal they like.
- They didn't sign Giles to turn around and trade him the next week.
- "It's almost as if we have Giles for free for April and May" since they would have had to pay $3M in a buyout.
- John Moores will have the opportunity to say if he wants to talk to Trevor or not.
- Alderson met with Moores on Sunday. The offer was pulled on Friday. Moores didn't disagree but they didn't have much conversation about it.
- Conversation between the agent and the Padres got heated.
- "You can't leave an offer out there forever"
- The Padres are prepared to move on without Trevor if they have to.
- Hoffman and his agent didn't know the Padres would pull the offer on Friday.
Sandy Alderson Report Part 2 (MP3)
- The offer to Hoffman was not a take it or leave it offer. It was negotiable but it was pretty close to best that the Padres could do. The offer was one year plus option.
- Trevor was treated better than other players. The Padres made a substantial offer considering Hoffman's and the team's circumstances. Alderson also offered to meet with him which usually doesn't happen.
- There is no easy way lose a popular player.
- Alderson can't control what Hoffman's agent does.
- "These are not easy times or easy issues to address"
- The club has not discussed giving Hoffman an executive job with the club after his retirement.
- The announcement of Hoffman's contract withdrawl and the date of Season Ticket Holder renewals was purely coincidental
- Alderson needs to make tough choices in the best interest of the Padres
- Alderson fully understands that Season Ticket Holders would have a very difficult time trying to envision what they will see on the field next season
- It was Alderson's decision to pull the offer from Hoffman. As a Front Office they talked about how long the offer was out there and thought it was a liability.
- Is Alderson prepared to take responsibility for being the guy that forced Hoffman out of San Diego? "What choice do I have?"
- If talking to Moores is in everybody's best interest than it will happen.
- "I understand what Trevor Hoffman represents to the San Diego. I'm not anxious to see him leave. I'm not anxious to be vilified as an outsider by people that think I don't appreciate what Hoffman means to San Diego. On the other hand my charge is to do what is in in the best interest of the Padres for the long term. "
- Alderson isn't confident that Heath Bell could exceed the performance of Trevor Hoffman. He can't say that for sure.
- Alderson respects Trevor Hoffman. He respects what his agent has to say, he guesses. "Just becaue the agent says it doesn't mean it's true"
- The next step is for Trevor, Kevin Towers and Alderson to meet.
- The Padres are willing to talk to Trevor.
- This is a baseball decsion that has to be made. From a PR stand point, there's been drama about this before and he's not surprised that it happened again. It's somewhat inevitable.
- Alderson is hopeful that the three will get a chance to meet. Moores could make the decision that he'll talk to Hoffman. Moores hasn't expressed interest to Alderson. Alderson thinks Moores probably supports the decisions they've made.
- It's a battle of egos that Alderson is trying to get through. He thinks Padres approached it in the right way.
- Alderson assumes that Moores knows that Hoffman wants to talk to him.
- Hoffman has been in Puerto Rico for some time.
- Alderson won't admit that the Padres have a history of poor treatment of players when it comes to making offers. Alderson points to players that did get good treatment.
- Most teams don't try to pursue players that injure themselves (Khalil) because they don't think they have precedence or a good case.
- Alderson thinks that Trevor's leadership is important.
- Alderson's attitude toward Trevor is that Trevor had pitched well enough to come back.
- Trevor is a different type of player and he was treated differenlty.
- Alderson was not surprised that Hoffman filed for free agency. It happens and it is routine.
- Alderson doesn't think that there is bad blood between the Front Office and Hoffman. Alderson gets fired up and doesn't mind mixing it up but it doesn't let it linger.
- When offering a contract Alderson thinks they do factor in what he means to the community.
- "They [the Padres] pay a lot more attention to what fans think than many people believe. This is the entertainment business."
- Alderson can't speculate if Hoffman will return in 2009.
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"This file is corrupted"
That made me laugh for some reason.
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 11, 2008 7:44 PM PST
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Anybody see a contact email on the XX site
where we can ask them to fix the first MP3?
by jbox on
Nov 11, 2008 8:24 PM PST
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sent him an email
we’ll see if it does any good.
by jbox on
Nov 11, 2008 11:11 PM PST
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So Trev's been on vacay in Puerto Rico this whole time
While the FO is working their asses off doin’ what they do. He catagorically refused their reasonable offer and demanded a meeting which I guess was supposed to take place in some cabana on the beach. I assume Giles would have been there. So the FO doesn’t really have any options, then Trev’s agent leaks the contract info in a effort to force the Padres to up their offer and by releasing the fury of the fan’s disdain for Sandy Alderson.
I think the one quote above that sums it up is
"I understand what Trevor Hoffman represents to the San Diego. I’m not anxious to see him leave. I’m not anxious to be vilified as an outsider by people that think I don’t appreciate what Hoffman means to San Diego. On the other hand my charged is to do what is in in the best interest of the Padres for the long term. "
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 11, 2008 7:53 PM PST
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Hoffman went on a vacation after the season was over. I would guess he has that right.
He obviously was in contact because HE asked to meet with Towers, Alderson and Moores 15 days ago. They DO have phones, TV and the internet in Puerto Rico. They also have planes that can get you back to SD in a single day. Imagine that.
The FO refused to meet with Trevor. THEY made the decision, not Trevor.
And you and I do not know who leaked the contract information. The initial reports in the Union Tribune and on 1090 said a an unnamed “Padres official”. Doesn’t sound like that would be Hoffman’s agent, Rick Thurman.
The offer was not exactly a reasonable one for a guy that had 30 saves, although it was expected. And from every report I read, Hoffman did not object to the Dollar Amount. He simply said he wanted to find out the direction the team was headed in. If you can find an article that says otherwise I would be interested in seeing it.
Trevor saved 30 games out of 34 save opportunities. 2nd best % in the NL. Trevor showed dominance in SAVE situations with a league best P/PA, a WHIP under 1, a K/9 over 10 and an era under 3.
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by websoulsurfer on
Nov 11, 2008 8:37 PM PST
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They didn't refuse to talk to him
they refused to have a meeting with John Moores present, for whatever reason.
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 11, 2008 8:41 PM PST
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According to published interviews
Towers said they refused to have a meeting period.
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by websoulsurfer on
Nov 11, 2008 10:20 PM PST
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You got that from "No comment"?
Show me these “published interviews”. Supermarket tabloids don’t count.
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 11, 2008 10:24 PM PST
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Try Krasovic in the UT
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by websoulsurfer on
Nov 11, 2008 11:39 PM PST
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Now you're losing me
The offer was absolutely reasonable. Trevor’s level of performance has signifcantly declined and he’s insane if he thinks anyone is going to offer him a multi-year deal. As Sandy indicated, their initial offer is close to the Padres’ ceiling. This means they could probably go to $5 M, which is more than generous.
Trevor is not the pitcher he once was. If he wants more money, than he should be free to seek it out. Retracting the contract, however, looks really petulant and is probably unnnecessary.
by Phantom on
Nov 11, 2008 8:41 PM PST
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Do you get lost in basic math classes too?
Trevor’s performance has not “significantly declined”. If it has please show me the stats to back up your opinion.
Can’t find any? Didn’t think so.
He didn’t get as many saves, but the team didn’t give him many save opportunities. Trevor’s save percentage was 88.2. 2nd in the NL to a guy that was perfect and just 1 behind his career average of 89.2%.
Trevor’s P/PA was best in the league among closers. In case you don’t know, that means it took less pitches for him per plate appearance. Its a great indication of how well a pitcher dominated opposing batters. Trevor obviously did very well.
Trevor’s ERA in Save opportunities was under 3.00. It was 3.77 overall.
Trevor’s K/9 was over 10 in save opportunites. 9.13 overall
Trevor’s K/BB was over 5/1. INCREDIBLE! AWESOME!
Trevor’s WHIP was 1.04 overall and UNDER 1.00 in save opportunities
Trevor’s BAA was under .200 in save opportunities. .224 overall
SO you can continue to kiss Alderson’s behind or you can face facts.
The offer to Trevor was significantly below market value. Middle relievers like Eyre and Farnsworth made more than $4 million. Even Gagne is expected to make more than $4 million in Free agency this off season.
A consistent 30++++ save, face of the franchise, first ballot hall of fame, I put fannies in the seats, type of closer is worth significantly more.
And Hoffman and his agent made every indication they were not concerned with the dollar amount of the contract. In fact it seemed Hoffman was willing to accept that offer. He wanted to speak with the FO and find out what direction the team was going in and his role and they denied him that meeting and instead withdrew their offer.
The Indians have already indicated they are willing to go after Hoffman once he is free to negotiate with any team Nov 14th.
We will see what the free market will bring in offers, but knowing his stats, I can see that the Indians will not be the only team vying for his services. That probably means Hoffman will get more than what the Padres low balled him at.
If you think the Padres can’t afford to spend more than $4 million on a closer of Hoffman’s caliber then you are buying into a completely false notion.
Even if they sign Hoffman at $4 million and keep Peavy and resign every player eligible for arbitration at market value, not the San Diego discount, the Padres will STILL be under $50 million in payroll for 2009.
That is a SIGNIFICANT drop in payroll of $23+ million from the $73+ million payroll in 2008.
Trade away Peavy and Greene as is expected and add in the players the Padres are expected to get in return AND WITH Hoffman at $4 million they at $32.5 million.
LESS than half of the 2008 payroll and it would put them at the lowest or 2nd lowest payroll in baseball.
So please don’t even try to trot out some tired excuse that $4 million is all the poor Padres can afford to pay Hoffman or that $4 million some how represents his market value. Its specious at best and insulting in toto.
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Nov 11, 2008 11:30 PM PST
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Thanks.
When Wonko decided to shift his persona away from the “long-winded, condescending, ’doesn’t matter whether he’s right or not because it’s so long and confrontational that nobody effin cares’ heel surrounded by the not-so-faint aroma of vinegar and water” character I was worried we’d have to shop around for one. I appreciate you giving us long-suffering fans one last burden to be concerned with.
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Nov 12, 2008 12:01 AM PST
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Ah the good ol' days when I used to give condescending math lessons
Usually I would give them about things more important than save percentage and I would never go against the Great Sandy in math. The man pays people to do math for him. I can’t argue with that.
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by Wonko on
Nov 12, 2008 11:13 AM PST
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i want to buy this man a beer!
spot on!
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by wrveres on
Nov 12, 2008 12:03 AM PST
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Really?
Because I want to buy him a punch in the guy for coming off like an arrogant jackass, regardless of the argument made.
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Nov 12, 2008 6:21 AM PST
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I guess its not true just because Alderson says it.
Towers said that the Padres did not offer to meet with Hoffman and probably wouldn’t.
Every interview Alderson is caught saying something that just isn’t true. Does he really think Padres fans are that stupid?
I guess they aren’t because from what I am hearing today, season ticket renewals are down more than 30%. My info may be wrong, but I would bet its actually LOW.
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by websoulsurfer on
Nov 11, 2008 8:22 PM PST
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Actually
Hoffman called his agent from Puerto Rico to demand a meeting with Moores, Towers, and Alderson. They responded to him by telling him that’s not how they do these types of things but Sandy would meet with him. Apparently that wasn’t good enough.
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 11, 2008 8:27 PM PST
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Both sides are clearly to blame here
Trevor for getting his ego bruised and Sandy for being unflexible. Both of them made mistakes in this situation and both of them share the blame if Trevor is not a Padre next year. It is, however, cateogrically wrong to assume that one side or the other is telling the complete truth about all of this.
Sandy’s in the business of trying to make sure the team doesn’t lynch him. Trevor’s in the business of making money for his family and satisfying his ego. They’re both going to put out messages that make the other side look like the bad guy. Unfortunately for us, we don’t have the luxury of knowing the truth and the majority of fans that hear about this story will assume that the FO is screwing over a player. This isn’t right or just, but that doesn’t stop it from happening.
by Phantom on
Nov 11, 2008 8:37 PM PST
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Yes I know
It just bothers me to no end that people think that Sandy Alderson is the devil.
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 11, 2008 8:46 PM PST
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Maybe it's not how they normally do business
but for a player that means this much to the franchise and the city, you bend the rules. I’m sorry, but this player deserves a meeting with whoever he wants and should be given the information he requests. The Padres are not steeped in great tradition with a monument park of past greats. We have two: Gwynn and Hoffman. This is not how you treat an icon to your team and frankly it’s embarrassing to be a Padre fan and watch Hoffman treated this way.
What is the harm in meeting with him? There has to be something better than “we don’t do things that way.” For Hoffman, you do.
by GeoffwithG on
Nov 11, 2008 11:24 PM PST
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He doesn’t “deserve” anything of the sort.
by Richard Wade on
Nov 12, 2008 12:45 PM PST
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Sandy would meet with him
Why?
Why is Alderson so above a meeting Hoffman, or anybody for that matter? He runs a frigging baseball team. Actually he probably spends his day delegating. Soemthing he could do with a blackberry.
Why is this man so unapproachable by the players on the team, much less, thee guy.
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by wrveres on
Nov 12, 2008 12:10 AM PST
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Sandy
Was willing to meet with Trevor, but Trevor was in Puerto Rico and they wanted a deal before free agency. Towers was also willing to meet. They, however, would not let Hoffman and his agent meet with Moores. Alderson doesn’t want to subject Moores to dealing with agents and I think that is perfectly reasonable. Moores hires people to negotiate contracts for him for a reason.
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by Wonko on
Nov 12, 2008 11:04 AM PST
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Actually?
You mean you were sitting their and listening to the conversation?
All you and I can go on is the reports in the media and they don’t seem to agree with you.
Towers even said that the Padres would not meet with Hoffman. Seems like Alderson didn’t tell the whole truth. Again.
Saying anything else is just conjecture on your part.
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by websoulsurfer on
Nov 11, 2008 8:46 PM PST
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Why didn’t the Padres consent to a meeting between Hoffman and Moores/Alderson?
“I don’t think it’s appropriate for John to be involved in contract negotiations,” Alderson said Tuesday. “Their original request was that Trevor and his agent meet with John. That’s simply not how we do things.”
And talking about conjecture? The only thing KT has said about this is “no comment”. Not sure how you got that he wouldn’t meet with Trevor from “NO COMMENT”. Secondly, OMG POR TREV THE MEANIE HEADS WON’T RESPOND TO HIS DEMANDS. Um, he refused to respond to their contract offer first, remember??
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 11, 2008 8:52 PM PST
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OK
First off…he did respond to the offer. He didn’t respond to it by saying it was an offer he would agree to sign or an offer he didn’t feel was good enough…he responded by requesting a meeting with Moores AND Alderson.
Secondly…"I don’t think it’s appropriate for John to be involved in contract negotiations," Alderson said Tuesday. Trevor asked to sit down with John and Sandy to discuss the “direction of the ballclub and his role”. How is that in any way involving Moores in “contract negotiations”??? How are we leaping from him sitting down with the owner and the team dictator CEO to discuss the future of the ballclub and his role with it….to him demanding a sit down with the owner to haggle over his new contract?
by Drama on
Nov 11, 2008 9:06 PM PST
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Well
If he doesn’t know his role on the team at this point, I just don’t know what to say.
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 11, 2008 9:11 PM PST
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Jesus Lopez
You’re kidding, right? Maybe his role beyond being the closer? Maybe his plans to retire in a Padre uniform? Maybe he’d like a role in the organization after retirement? Come on.
by Drama on
Nov 11, 2008 9:14 PM PST
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Whatever
When it comes down to it, I’m not going to stop rooting for the Padres because Trevor Hoffman wasn’t happy with the way they handled this.
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 11, 2008 9:19 PM PST
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Weird
Drama why would Trevor’s agent insist on being at that meeting if it had nothing to do with dollars and cents?
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Nov 11, 2008 10:02 PM PST
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That's a good point.
Protection in case Sandy leapt over the table at Trevor and tried to rip his heart out of his chest and eat it?
by Drama on
Nov 11, 2008 11:02 PM PST
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Hmmmmm I am curious how a comment by Alderson in any way represents what Towers said PRIOR to yesterdays news that they were withdrawing the contract offer?
It was quoted on THIS blog I believe. Krasovic has said that Hoffman’s original request was to meet with Towers, Alderson and Moores. Towers confirmed in interviews both on the radio and at the GM meetings that Hoffman requested meetings with all three.
Ummm Towers, Alderson and DePodesta all said Hoffman responded to the contract offer through his agent by asking for a meeting. Sounds like he DID respond.
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by websoulsurfer on
Nov 11, 2008 11:37 PM PST
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And a question for Alderson
I would bet more than half of owners are involved in contract negotiations for ANY top line player, let alone one as important to the fan base and the overall winning ability of the team like Hoffman.
I know that it has been widely reported that McCourt, McLane, Moreno, Hicks, Angelos and Henry have been directly involved in contract negotiations in recent years.
We KNOW that Hank Steinbrenner regularly is involved.
What makes Moores so different?
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by websoulsurfer on
Nov 11, 2008 11:50 PM PST
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those guys you listed
are the ones responsible for overpaying for players and bloating payroll.
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by Sammy G on
Nov 12, 2008 8:30 AM PST
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Sandy Alderson and Moores blew it totally unless their desire is to LOWER ticket sales. If that is the case they are winning the battle.
IF they are attempting to make the team better or to win the fans back, then they lost the battle and the war.
Trevor has never indicated nor has his agent nor has the Padres FO that he was not willing to accept either the dollar amount offered or the length and terms of the contract.
All ANYONE, including Alderson in that interview, has said in the media is that Hoffman asked, not demanded, a meeting with Moores, Alderson and Towers to discuss the direction of the team and his role. Perfectly reasonable from the face of your franchise for the past 7 seasons.
Hoffman accepted a below market value contract the last tie he signed with the Padres and this one was millions below fair market value. SO saying that Trevor is “in the business of making money for his family and satisfying his ego” is insulting at best. Way off base would be a better description of your opinion.
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by websoulsurfer on
Nov 11, 2008 8:47 PM PST
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Agreed. Withdrawing Hoffman’s offer doesn’t seem to serve any rational purpose. Obviously the fan base is furious. Hoffman is furious. Alderson said having the offer on the table was “a liability.” A liability to what? Maybe he means “liability” in a literal sense, meaning the Padres have to include the offer on their balance sheet which would negatively affect the worth of the organization Moores is trying to pawn off. Maybe the FO doesn’t think Hoffman can get 4 mil anywhere else, want Hoffman to test the market and come to this realization, then return to the Padres with a weakened bargaining position so they can offer him even less. I doubt this is the case because whatever they could have saved I’m sure was negated by the canceled season tickets today alone. Bottom line is that Hoffman makes this team, or any team, better off and I don’t exactly see a ton of bullpen talent pushing him out the door.
I personally canceled my season tickets today. For all of you who have put down your initial deposit, you can cancel by mid-January and get a refund. I encourage all true Padre fans to do the same. The organization will never change its ways unless you vote with your dollar. I have attended Padres opening day for 14 consecutive years (I’m 24), but not this year. I vow to not let this organization get one more dollar out of my pocket. I am still a Padres fan, and always will be, but fielding a 35 mil team in a profit raking Petco Park is incredibly villainous.
Idea: socialized baseball. The City of San Diego buys the Padres and operates it at zero net profit, just like the Green Bay Packers.
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Nov 11, 2008 10:10 PM PST
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I love your final idea but unfortunately MLB doesn't permit that.
There has to be a majority owner.
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by TheThirdGonzalez on
Nov 11, 2008 10:19 PM PST
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I don't even know what to say to this reactionary diatribe.
But your insinuation that the only true padre fans are the ones who refuse to watch them anymore is unacceptable, utterly selfish, and completely asinine. You claim to be a Padre fan, yet all evidence shows you are a Trevor Hoffman fan, not a Padre fan. By the way, nobody has ever said that the payroll will only be $35 million dollars, in fact, you just pulled that number out of thin air because the FO doesn’t even know what the payroll is going to be yet.
But I guess I’m not a true Padre fan because I think that the team is more important than one player.
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by sdsuaztec4 on
Nov 11, 2008 10:23 PM PST
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liabilty
meaning, they have to include it on the balance sheet when calculating payroll, budgets, offers to other players etc.
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by Sammy G on
Nov 12, 2008 8:31 AM PST
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Not going to a game=true fan
And here all this time I thought I was a fan by actually going to games.
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Nov 11, 2008 11:28 PM PST
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Anybody know how to get that first interview
or did anybody hear it … a recap would be cool. I am guessing they discussed Peavy n that section.
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by wrveres on
Nov 12, 2008 12:20 AM PST
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You might want to update your link up top to the working one.
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