Trevor Hoffman will not return to the Padres in 2009
Sources: Contract impasse forces Hoffman out of San Diego
Buster Olney is breaking all the bad news this week. I'm really having a hard time digesting this right now. Trevor Hoffman will no longer play for the Padres. Let that sink in for a minute... He came to the organization during a Fire Sale and he's leaving the organization with a Fire Sale.
Trevor Hoffman, the all-time leaders in saves and the face of the San Diego franchise, will not return to the Padres for 2009. The team has withdrawn its contract offer for 2009 to Hoffman, who is eligible for free agency this fall.
I'm beginning to think that the Padres don't want any fans next year. That's the only explanation.
It doesn't surprise me that they weren't able to agree on the initial contract. What surprises me is that the Padres withdrew the contract. What's the harm in letting him turn it down if he isn't happy with it? Hoffman must have really pissed off Padres brass or ownership.
Hoffman made $7 million last season, and the Padres' initial offer to him for 2009 was for $4 million, plus some incentive bonuses. Some friends of Hoffman felt San Diego's offer was a polite way to nudge him out the door; sources familiar with the Padres' offer said it reflected, to a degree, Hoffman's diminished performance in 2008.
I know that Hoffman wanted to talk to John Moores about the direction of the team and to see if he had a spot in their vision. To my knowledge he didn't get that meeting with Moores. It seems he only talked secretly with Sandy Alderson and Kevin Towers. Towers has gone on record saying that he wanted Trevor to end his career with the Padres, the problem is that Trevor thinks he can play another three years. With Hoffman's performance suffering as time goes on, the Padres don't want any part of a multi-year or expensive contract. That part is understandable.
Trevor has been scaring me for years now. He's blown some big saves and gives up a couple base hits or long flies in just about every appearance, we've seen how bad he can be. No one will say that he looks like his former self, but he still saved over 30 games for a team that rarely had a lead this season. He saved almost half their games for crying out loud. How many other closers saved 30 games last season?
I don't think the Padres can give Trevor anywhere close to $7 million dollars or a 3 year contract, but I thought for sure they'd be able to work something out. He probably could have lead the Padres to believe that each year would be his last and keep signing one year contracts. The new leadership just doesn't seem to have much respect for Hoffman and he's very sensitive to that.
When Hoffman was last a free agent, after the 2006 season, his negotiations were sometimes contentious; in one meeting, he spoke angrily to Padres president Sandy Alderson. Hoffman seriously considered taking an offer from the Cleveland Indians before making a deal with the Padres
I think Hoffman should play as long as he enjoys playing the game and unfortunately that means he'll end up playing for another team. He doesn't need to finish his career as a Padre to mean something to this city, it would have been nice but he is and always will be a legend here. It's very rare that a player gets to leave baseball or a team on his own terms.
All those including myself that complained about him probably won't realize how how much he brought to this city and team until he's gone. Just imagine not hearing Hells Bells anymore, because I can't.
Today is a sad day for Padres fans.
[Note by jbox, 11/10/08 8:28 PM PST ] Maybe Trevor got his chance to talk to Moores and said some things that Moores wasn't happy with or vice versa.
Organization pulls Hoffman contract offer from the table
Asked if he made the withdrawal at Moores' request, Towers said, "No comment."
Towers added: "I really don't want to get into anything other than we withdrew the offer."
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Maybe he'll just retire
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 10, 2008 8:24 PM PST reply actions
Looks likely
that kouz and Flailil will be gone too
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by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 10, 2008 8:44 PM PST up reply actions
u really wanna make me cry dont u
I hooked up my accelerator pedal in my car to my brake lights. I hit the gas, people behind me stop, and I'm gone.
~*Chicks Dig 3rd Basemen*~
Freakin' Ridiculous
Petco Park has now become the Bar with the worst entertainment in the Gaslamp.
I think we should bring back “Blopper”, if for nothing else than somehting to entertain us.
Look at it this way
the Portland Beavers have the nicest park in the minors and it’s located in San Diego.
Unreal...
What a first-class organization the Padres are proving themselves to be to potential free agents and draftees. If we’re not trying to file a grievance against one of our own to recoup money…we’re booting the all-time saves leader out the door without so much as a sit down with the man who owns the team.
What has happened to this franchise?
by Drama on Nov 10, 2008 8:51 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
My first thought was this is unbelievable
but at this point, with the way everything else is going, it’s really not that hard to believe. The whole thing just makes me really sad.
Could be worse... could be the offseason.
Can I at least get some credit for posting this first?
PLEASE?
And yeah Padres, just keep proving you don’t know your @$$ from your elbow and tellign the fans to shove it
Actually
EllieK and Wonko posted it about an hour before you.
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 10, 2008 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
...
In the immortal words of Vince Lombardi, “What the hell is going on out there????”
Is this because of the divorce? I just….don’t understand…..
Padres Baseball. Feel the Frustration!
You know what's really pathetic about getting this news tonight?
Oakland A’s are celebrating the fact that they are on the verge of obtaining Matt Holliday from the Rockies. Ken Rosenthal is reporting (I know, I know) that they could be increasing their payroll to as much as $80 million.
Last season the A’s (in 81 home games) had an overall attendance of 1,665,256…an average of 20,558 per game. That placed them in 27th place overall.
The Padres (in 81 home games) had an overall attendance of 2,427,535…an average of 29,969 per game. This placed them in 17th place overall.
The Padres play in a beautiful downtown park and the A’s play in a shithole. While we’re stripping our team down to nothing…they can afford to trade for a star that is on the verge of free agency and increase their payroll by $32 million dollars? What the f**k???
Radio Network:
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We better make some kind of relief pickup this offseason
And not some AAAA piece of garbage either. Jeremy Affeldt had a good year last year, and could come fairly cheaply, why not him?
"If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself." - Bob Dylan
"at least we have a great waiver position"
paul depodesta – padres estate sale, circa 2008
go padres!
That comment from Paul made me so depressed...seriously...
"If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself." - Bob Dylan
Honestly $4M + incentives seems pretty fair
I can understand Hoffman believing he’s worth more, but I think Hoffman’s relationship with Alderson and the Padres has really disintegrated in the past years.
It's weird
I feel that the Padres can’t offer Trevor much more money, but with the way this next season is shaping up, they need SOMETHING to keep Padres fans coming to the park next year. Who knows, maybe things will work out. But this certainly seems to be the prelude to a miserable year all around. No doubt about it, this hurts.
I couldn't have said it better
As my friend just said “PV is November on my Padres calendar….wtf are they going to do for 2009?”
I need a drink…or 8
Padres Baseball. Feel the Frustration!
by offspeedkills on Nov 10, 2008 9:51 PM PST up reply actions
Look...
Trevor isn’t stupid. He knows he’s got one season left in him…maybe two. Two is a serious long shot. The best offer Trevor is going to get is a one-year deal with a club option that includes a buyout…and he sure as hell isn’t going to get $8 – 10 million for 2009. So, let’s say the Indians offer him $6 or $7 million for 2009 and he gets a small buyout for 2010…is it a better offer than the Padres deal financially? Sure it is. But is he really going to move to another city and finish his career there just to grab $3 – 4 million extra bucks? I just don’t see it. I see it as him being hurt that Moores refuses to show him the respect he has earned and a final “F**k you” to Sandy.
Yeah
I feel like this is stubborn arrogance all around. I understand the arguments behind ditching Peavy, Khalil, Kouz, and others. I get it. Sell them when you can because they are either a) relatively expensive (Peavy), going to leave after one year (Khalil), or are a redundant commodity (Kouz).
But Trevor? You’re totally right that he doesn’t deserve much more money. But it sucks that he’s using money as an out and it sucks that the team allegedly hasn’t met with him. Now, again, we don’t know whether or not he’s met with Moores or not. We’ve heard that Trevor wanted to and that as of the contract’s initial offer, he hadn’t had that meeting.
The shitty thing here is that NOBODY is bigger than this team. But that goes for both the FO and the players. This is a situation where egos are getting in the way and the fans are getting fucked.
I apologize for the profanity, but this is one last stiff kick to the groin. This makes me legitimately sad and I really can’t picture the Padres without Trevor. I knew that we’d have to at some point, but I thought he’d be done altogether.
I don't know if "he's using money as an out".
Maybe he got into another fight with Sandy and Sandy just said “That’s it…pull the contract. He’s done here.”
The reason I say this is if the issue were just about money…if he felt that the contract offered should have been more…why not just have his agent counter-offer? Why not negotiate?
And from the Padres perspective…why are they just pulling the offer completely? Why won’t KT comment on any of it? If it were just Trevor wanting another year added to the deal, or more money or even a buyout…why wouldn’t KT just say we have been unable to come to an agreement regarding the contract? Instead they just yank it off the table?
Something else happened.
If someone paid me to guess at what that conversation was like
i.e. I worked for the Mighty XX
I’d say that the organization told Trevor: We’re rebuilding, we like you, you like it here, we’ll give you something we find fair and you’ll get to finish you career here.
And then Trevor said: I don’t play baseball to just go out there, you need a club that can win here or else you need to pay me more money to stay.
And in response: Look, we’re trying to build a winner, but it just ain’t going to happen this year. So either you’re with us and we work something out, or you can move on.
And then: Screw you guys. I’m outta here.
Something like that. Maybe not those exact words.
Homer: Ohhhh, The Denver Broncos.
Marge: Whats wrong with the Denver Broncos?
Homer: Marge you just don't understand football.
That's more like how I have it going
Look people, the Padres gave him the offer and Trevor refused to even respond to it.
On Oct. 10, the Padres offered him a $4 million salary for 2009 plus a $4 million club option in 2010. The option did not include a buyout.
Hoffman’s agent did not respond to the offer, Towers said last week from baseball’s GM meetings in Dana Point.
.
That’s a fair offer. Maybe you gusy are right that something else happened. But I think that that something came from Trevor’s end.
Towers has often said that he wants to see Hoffman finish his career with the Padres. When asked if that is still the case, the GM paused, then said, "No comment."
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 10, 2008 11:04 PM PST up reply actions
He responded to it by requesting a meeting with Moores.
The Padres made a formal contract offer to Hoffman two weeks ago. When Hoffman’s agent responded, he informed the team that Hoffman wanted to talk with owner John Moores first, presumably to find out the direction of the team, according to the San Diego Union-Tribune.
It's not the contract
it’s the fact that the Padres withdrew the contact. I can’t think of a reason they would withdraw the contract outside of anger or spite.
Dana Point
Can’t the GM’s do better than Dana Point???
by Jonny Dub on Nov 11, 2008 6:40 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The worst day in Padres history
I am crushed. Losing our star and our legend in the same off season. It’s Trevor Hoffman. It’s Trevor Fucking Hoffman. He has always spoken his mind. He probably told the Powers That Flee that they are running this organization into the ground. Fuck Sandy Alderson.
Padres till the bitter end
by sdgaucho on Nov 10, 2008 9:55 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Well, to remain optimistic to some extent
the last time the FO completely revamped this roster was 2006 and it led to a NL West pennant.
Except that in 2005 we were 82-80 instead of 63-99, and we actually spent some money to get guys, and we had Peavy/Hoffman, and we had completely robbed Texas to get 2 of our best players.
Okay, this still sucks.
"If I wasn't Bob Dylan, I'd probably think that Bob Dylan has a lot of answers myself." - Bob Dylan
I've checked the url for this site a couple of times already
And it says Gaslampball. But it can’t be. Judging by alll the OTs I’ve been to, Trevor leaving should be great. Trevor bashing has been a favorite pastime here and now we are all mad that the Padres aren’t spending extra money for blown saves here. Much like the Peavy thing I’m taking any sides here, but I’m just really perplexed that there isn’t more acceptance of this parting of ways.
Homer: Ohhhh, The Denver Broncos.
Marge: Whats wrong with the Denver Broncos?
Homer: Marge you just don't understand football.
Some people just need to complain about everything.
by Richard Wade on Nov 10, 2008 10:24 PM PST up reply actions
I think it's time to blow this bitch up
If we’re going to trade Peavy, Khalil, and lose Trevor, why don’t we just liquidate the roster and play for 2010? Adrian would fetch a king’s ransom from someone like the Yankees and you might possibly be able to trade Giles somewhere else. I mean, honestly, if we’re not going to have much to watch next year, let’s just have nothing to watch. I’ll be a whole lot less frustrated if I have nothing at all to hope for, instead of seeing Adrian’s best years completely wasted.
This is a total overreaction on my part, to be sure. I’m totally not approaching this rationally. But I don’t really care. I never wanted Trevor to go, and this is really a backbreaker.
not a bad idea.
PR couldn’t be lower, and why crush the fans again in four years.
But why settle for the Yankees? Their toys are always overrated. With Adrian’s insane contract, the friars could get Ellsbury, Pedroia, Buchholtz, and Theo’s Gorilla suit.
John Moores is going to need that suit ..
552
I think I heard some snickering coming from somewhere
Someone may have also used the word “wicked”. It’s faint though, not sure I heard it right.
Homer: Ohhhh, The Denver Broncos.
Marge: Whats wrong with the Denver Broncos?
Homer: Marge you just don't understand football.
Geez
Everybody knew (I hope) that he wasn’t going to play forever and that 2009 was probably going to be his last season. This may not have been the best way to do it, but it was going to happen one way or another. I know it sucks and it hurts but lets try not to make it out like the FO is some evil incarnate organization that plots to destroy the Padres.
We haven’t heard a single detail about this whole thing yet and everybody is already passing judgement. This is probably about egos on both sides of the card. Either way, I think it makes baseball sense if you take the emotional part out of it. Look, this isn’t about the FO trying to piss the fans off or make a shitty baseball team on purpose. That wouldn’t make business sense. The team is going to be better in 2009 than in 2008 whether you like it or not. We are going to probably have a sick young lineup next season that is going to play some exciting baseball.
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 10, 2008 10:36 PM PST reply actions
Or
We’ll have a young, not terribly exciting, not terribly boring lineup filled with the highs and lows that come with a young team that may or may not be better than the 2008 team, but definitely moving toward or into contention in 2010. And that team won’t be paying Trevor money a few extra million to basically be a figurehead closer who is told to “go out, wave your cap, give the people a thrill” when they could be using the roster spots to find out who will be on the team’s next contending club.
Homer: Ohhhh, The Denver Broncos.
Marge: Whats wrong with the Denver Broncos?
Homer: Marge you just don't understand football.
by Wonko on Nov 10, 2008 10:52 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 10, 2008 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
"And that team won’t be paying Trevor money a few extra million"...
Why should any Padre give a shit if the guy that is stripping down our baseball team to sell it because of HIS divorce has to drop a few extra million? I don’t.
Trevor would be ONE roster spot…but we’d hate to have to give up that one precious roster spot on another 100-loss club when we could be giving a chance to young players like Paul McAnulty, Justin Huber, Chip Ambres, Charlie Haeger – should I go on?
And another thing...
What’s so wrong about having the guy around for veteran leadership? If this team is going to be as young as we all think it’s going to be next season….wouldn’t it be nice to have a guy like Trevor around to help teach some of the young kids about dedication? Teach them about taking the right approach to the game? Teach them about being a professional?
Seriously
Why do I care what Moores spends? Why is it my job as a fan to save him money by continuing to buy merchandise/tickets/beer when he pisses all over the organization and kicks Peavy & Trevor out of town?
And how does Trevor leaving improve our bullpen, which is one of the main priorities of this offseason? Are we using that 4-5 million to go sign K-Rod? Or is it going to a divorce lawyer, while KT is ordered to go find some AAAA guy off the scrap heap?
I’m not going to pretend like I’m Trevor’s biggest fan or defender. I would have accepted a token lowball offer that politely sent him on his way, but this “suck on this, we’re withdrawing the offer” approach is ridiculous.
People do seem to care what they spend on Trevor
I’ve heard many people complain that the Padres were paying Trevor way to much to pitch less than 50 innings a season. And they used the same arguments you make about the merchandise/tickets/beer. I think the fan base is getting very hypocritical about some of the franchises issues. When Trevor is blowing saves they are paying him too much, when they offer him what he’s worth, they are trying to pay too little. When the team is made up of older players, they complain its too old and then when it gets younger they complain that we aren’t signing free agents. When the team is winning they complain that it boring, when the team is losing but stealing bases and hitting HRs they complain that they aren’t winning. It’s kind of annoying to keep hearing everyone find some fault in the team no matter what they do.
Homer: Ohhhh, The Denver Broncos.
Marge: Whats wrong with the Denver Broncos?
Homer: Marge you just don't understand football.
by Wonko on Nov 11, 2008 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
"Paul McAnulty, Justin Huber, Chip Ambres, Charlie Haeger"
They used those roster spots to figure out that those players wouldn’t be part of the team’s future. There is value in doing that. You really don’t want to make judgments on players based entirely on what they do in the minors.
Homer: Ohhhh, The Denver Broncos.
Marge: Whats wrong with the Denver Broncos?
Homer: Marge you just don't understand football.
This is total bull.
I hope Heath Bell takes over and blows all of his saves, which probably won’t be a lot. Damn John and Becky Moores for getting divorced!!! I am never going to a Padres game again!
Life always goes on...even if you don't want it to
by TheVinylCrocodile on Nov 10, 2008 11:57 PM PST reply actions
It’s amazing how many people who comment here aren’t actually Padres fans.
by Richard Wade on Nov 11, 2008 1:08 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Why is it so hard for you to understand
that some people are emotionally attached to players and have emotional responses to the changes happening to the Padres. Just because they don’t pour over numbers or are robot like in their reactions doesn’t mean they aren’t fans.
by jbox on Nov 11, 2008 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
It hard for me to understand
Why people think individual players are more important than the team and franchise.
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 11, 2008 2:23 PM PST up reply actions
The only reason I take in oxygen is to experience Padres baseball
but I think we’re all entitled to knee jerk Ux2-Tee-Eff outbursts when something even one-tenth this world rocking happens.
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"jbox does not drink coffee, as it makes him clean house big time." ~Kev
by TheThirdGonzalez on Nov 12, 2008 12:21 AM PST up reply actions
what's more important
Sandy Alderson or the San Diego Padres? Cause you seem to really be looking out for Sandy lately.
Not that I'm endorsing Richard's comment
But I don’t think it’s necessarily about choosing stats over emotions. But sometimes you have to temper your expectations of how long your relationship with a player will last. I really liked a television show I saw last night. I enjoyed it from beginning to end. Would I have liked to see it go longer? Hell yeah! But, I knew going in it was going to be an hour long so I can’t be too mad that it ended when it was supposed to. Obviously, the timespan for enjoying players on a baseball team is not as cut and dry, but I do think you can set a certain expectation level related to their tenure and not get so worked up everytime the franchise and a player go their separate ways. Trevor was going soon. Many even called for him to go. The team doesn’t have the money to pay premium prices for declining stars. This was going to happen sooner or later. I think it’s reasonable that emotional response should be tempered.
Homer: Ohhhh, The Denver Broncos.
Marge: Whats wrong with the Denver Broncos?
Homer: Marge you just don't understand football.
Not like I’d want the endorsement of an Earnhardt Jr. fan anyway.
by Richard Wade on Nov 11, 2008 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
NASCAR feud!!!
Whooo-eeee, boys! Tell you what, buddy. Let’s keep it civil and make sure nobody gets an eyeful of Skoal spit.
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by TheThirdGonzalez on Nov 12, 2008 12:25 AM PST up reply actions
This isn’t about numbers. If you’re more a fan of individual players than the San Diego Padres, you’re probably not much of a Padres fan. That’s what I’m saying. When a player tries to dick the team around by releasing the team’s contract offer to the media, I’m not on his side because he’s trying to hurt the team and the team is what I care about.
by Richard Wade on Nov 11, 2008 4:13 PM PST up reply actions
Its not that I'm not a Padres fan. Its just that this is one of those times that its embarrassing to be a Padres fan for me.
Its embarrassing that I like a team that would treat Trevor Hoffman like this. But I don’t have the money to go to games and support a team that disgusts me right now. I understood that Trevor wasn’t going to be around forever but the way that this has happened sickens me. I never thought that the Padres would show him this lack of respect although it really isn’t suprising but it still sorta shocks me. I mean he’s Trevor Hoffman and I understand that signing him to a 3 year contract would be horrible because he’s probably only got a year left in him but that doesn’t take away what he’s done for San Diego and this team. As long as I’ve been alive, Trevor Hoffman has been a Padre and so yeah, I sorta do have an emotional attachment to him. Am I still gonna watch the games on tv? Yeah, but I cannot afford to go to these games with my family when I’m trying to save money for the really important things in life. Am I pissed about the Padres right now? Yeah, but does that mean that I’m not a fan? I don’t think so.
Life always goes on...even if you don't want it to
by TheVinylCrocodile on Nov 12, 2008 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
I lived in and around San Diego for thirteen years...
…And I’ve seen my fair share of Padres games. There isn’t a better venue for baseball (as far as the new ballparks go) than San Diego. This is pretty maddening.
If there is anyone worthy of a federal bailout, it’s this team.
Damn, this divorce is costing San Diego dearly. Sorry to see this happen to such an awesome community.
" Well, ain't it a small world, spiritually speaking. Pete and Delmar just been baptized and saved. I guess I'm the only one that remains unaffiliated. "
by LOUtheMETandNATSfan on Nov 11, 2008 3:40 AM PST reply actions
I'm sad Trevor won't finish as a Padre
but I won’t miss seeing him pitch this season. This is what happens when guys hang on too long. I hate that he won’t retire as a Padre (I’m assuming someone will be desperate enough to sign him to a one yr deal) but it was time to retire a year ago, particularly with Bell on the roster and the reshaping of the roster. As several people have already said, he can’t pitch forever, no matter what he thinks. And if he thinks he can go elsewhere and succeed for a year, where no one knows him, where he doesn’t have such good will built up, where a city won’t be willing to give him a pass because he’s the team’s second greatest player in history, he’s kidding himself. I hope wherever he lands he does well because I will always root for him and be grateful for what he gave to the organization. But I have a feeling it’s going to brutal to watch him deteriorate in another uniform where people won’t appreciate who he is.
Sucks all around.
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 11, 2008 5:35 AM PST reply actions
cursed
You do realize that Trevor’s going to save 57 games this season, right? That’s how it works around here. Karma is punishing us for being bad people.
I have no doubt
And he’ll do it in Cleveland and they’ll probably win the World Series. I have no doubt.
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 11, 2008 7:39 AM PST up reply actions
The Pads should have kept the offer on the table
and let him turn it down if he didn’t like it.
by jbox on Nov 11, 2008 8:37 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with that
The FO, as is now seemingly becoming the norm, completely mishandled and they look like aholes. (And not by coincidence – I think they are aholes.)
But Trevor has to share part of the blame here – the deal offered was fair for this stage in his career. Don’t dick around with the numbers and please don’t give me the I want to sit down and hear about the direction of the franchise crap. Trevor’s smart. He knows exactly what the direction of the franchise is at this point and to act like he needs to know so he can make a decision about the supposed next few yrs of his career is dumb.
Should Moores have sat down with him? Absolutely. Should they have pulled the deal? Absolutely not. But Trevor should’ve taken the deal when it was offered. There was no reason not to. They’ve said they are going with youth, but they weren’t going to just hand the job over to Bell and kick Trevor to the curb and I think that was a concession to his stature within the organization.
The blame goes both ways and I think it sucks all the way around.
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 11, 2008 8:52 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree
Hoffman seems to have a chip on his shoulder about not getting enough respect. Maybe he has and maybe he hasn’t gotten respect from the Front Office but the Padres just called his bluff.
It's a sad day indeed
When I opened up my e-mail this morning and found out they had pulled Hoffy’s contract offer I got a sick feeling. Yes, it is probably time for him to retire, even though he did not have that bad a year this year, he was no longer feared, and it showed in important games. There’s no way he is going to retire now, the organization has spat in his face. Someone will give him a contract, and it will be like Mays to the Mets, except with no history in whatever town he goes to, he’ll get booed by the fans when he comes up short, which will be often, particularly if it is Cleveland with the AL hitters. For years now, my ringtone has been “Hells Bells”, and I have to change it now because it depresses me every time. So long, Trevor. Your exit could have been much more graceful if you or the Padres had made the right decision here.
If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly
So
What’s Heath Bell’s entrance song?
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 11, 2008 8:01 AM PST reply actions
Why have one?
He’ll be released/traded the minute he gets good enough to earn one
by TheAxManCometh on Nov 11, 2008 8:56 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
This
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAf5s0xLTBA
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
B is for BLOWN SAVE
H is for HOLD…is good enough for me
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
COOOOOKIE MONSTERRRR
Ron Rivera. Change we can believe in. YES WE CAN!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Nov 11, 2008 9:57 AM PST up reply actions
During the second half
They would play the scene from the 300. I think they had a song that accompanied it afterwords, but I can’t remember what it was.
Homer: Ohhhh, The Denver Broncos.
Marge: Whats wrong with the Denver Broncos?
Homer: Marge you just don't understand football.
Trying again
If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly
by Boilermaker19 on Nov 11, 2008 1:00 PM PST up reply actions
This one seems even more appropriate
If you can't learn to do something well, learn to enjoy doing it poorly
by Boilermaker19 on Nov 11, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
Timing
Does it seem odd to anyone else that this news breaks at 8:00 PM on the day when Season Ticket payments were due at 5:00 PM?
by CM Strapz on Nov 11, 2008 9:54 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
“SammyG’s not renewing????!!!! Screw it. Pull Hoffman’s offer. NOW!!!”
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 11, 2008 10:05 AM PST up reply actions
we are renewing, we are just subleasing them….and I already cashed the check from the company that are leasing them…no give backs!
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. " ~Frank Sinatra
“What? SammyG is renewing? Jesus Lopez. Why did we let Hoffman go then?”
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 11, 2008 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Sounds like another smart baseball move by the FO
Promotions all around!
by jbox on Nov 11, 2008 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I was pretty critical of Hoffman
for his performance last year, but this makes me legitimately sad and depressed. A little mad, too. For awhile I used to dream about the Padres winning the World Series, with Hoffman coming in to ‘Hells Bells’ to wrap it up. What am I gonna do now?
by LJbumfool on Nov 11, 2008 10:18 AM PST reply actions
all we can do
Start thinking of an entrance theme for Heath Bell.
I propose Hell’s Bells by AC/DC. Much more literal and Trevor ain’t got no exclusive rights to it!
by Dex on Nov 11, 2008 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I've thought the same thing.
Of course, when I thought it, I imagined Trevor retiring. If they did it now it’d be less a tribute and more akin to spitting on the grave of the man you killed…
How ‘bout Raining Blood by Slayer? It’s a lot like Bells in that it starts out quiet and suspenseful and by the time he’s done jogging to the mound it breaks into catchy brutality …and the crowd goes wild!
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by TheThirdGonzalez on Nov 11, 2008 12:08 PM PST up reply actions
I can’t see them using Raining Blood or any other song by Slayer for that matter, but it would be awesome if they did.
by Richard Wade on Nov 11, 2008 1:10 PM PST up reply actions
No, I don’t see it actually happening either… but in a perfect world, eh?
They’ll probably tag him with an effin’ P.O.D. song or something equally shitcore.
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by TheThirdGonzalez on Nov 12, 2008 12:30 AM PST up reply actions
When I’m watching from home I’ll listen to Slayer during the commercial break when he’s running in.
by Richard Wade on Nov 13, 2008 2:13 PM PST up reply actions
Bell
I think this sets up Bell being the Closer and being traded this trade deadline to a contending team. I like Heath, but somebody will give two-three prospects for him….
"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. " ~Frank Sinatra
That is, unfortunately, a great point
by Winfield's Ghost on Nov 11, 2008 11:13 AM PST up reply actions
Either that or they wait until next offseason
There are a grand total of 0 closers available in free agency after next season (unless you count Billy Wagner, but he’ll be coming off of Tommy John).
Homer: Ohhhh, The Denver Broncos.
Marge: Whats wrong with the Denver Broncos?
Homer: Marge you just don't understand football.
Props.
You’ve been having a lot of “YOU’RE RIGHT” moments lately.
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by TheThirdGonzalez on Nov 12, 2008 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
Trevor will probably be one, too.
Just sayin’… he’s at that one-year-deal stage now regardless of who’s signing his checks.
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by TheThirdGonzalez on Nov 12, 2008 12:37 AM PST up reply actions








