Open Thread, Trade Deadline

Eagerly awaiting rumors and trades today...

...in my AWESOME Khalil OS 2.1 T-Shirt!

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 8:06 AM PDT reply actions

Cop out

and I think you know what I mean.

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 31, 2007 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions

WG

I said "if they win three out of four." Remember? Which I really don't think was asking all that much.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions

And another thing...

You're just as bad as any of us for actually remembering that.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions

I will never deny my loser qualities

But I had TMZ and Tyler Durden all lined up to purchase that photo...

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 31, 2007 10:27 AM PDT up reply actions

Making Tyler Durden...

...would have been a true highlight for me. LOVE that site.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions

i think the best part of that shirt

is the blonde hair. well done sir, well done.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions

Looks good!

Mine should be here in the next couple of days.

by osbug on Jul 31, 2007 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions

Links

Figured rather than doing a link diary today, I'd just put these here, as I'm thinking this is where the action is going to be today.

Lamb and Loretta?

Here's the article that mentions Piazza and Klesko that Dex mentioned above.

Andrew Brown, the pitcher we traded for Bradley, is doing well in Oakland.

MLB Trade Rumors is updating by the moment.

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 31, 2007 8:15 AM PDT reply actions

Lamb and Loretta. we've discussed the benefits of Loretta to death, and the Union Tribune does a good job of pointing out all of the ways in which Lamb can help (he hits righties better than Kooz, Kooz needs rest for his back, he's an upgrade over Branyan).

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions

Eckstein, Piazza, Klesko

These trade rumours are so lame, I'm using the British spelling. I can't wait until we have an actual farm system in 2018.

by Dalton on Jul 31, 2007 8:26 AM PDT reply actions

Dodgers and Yankees: Betemit for Proctor

Are we worried about that?

by Dex on Jul 31, 2007 9:01 AM PDT reply actions

i'm not

proctor has been worked into the ground these last few seasons by torre. i don't think he's got enough left in the tank to do any real damage for the dodgers. i do like the idea of them giving up on betemit so soon though.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions

Proctor's arm is pretty dead

Torre really just throws him out there as soon as he can, as often as he can. Plus the guy's been pretty wild this year.

http://nomaas.org/images/proctor_arm.jpg

by Dalton on Jul 31, 2007 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions

Of more concern

would be the Dbacks/Dodgers adding decent starters.

by Dalton on Jul 31, 2007 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions

Done Deal

According to ESPN's Buster Olney, the Yankees and Dodgers have completed the rumored Scott Proctor for Wilson Betemit trade.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions

In a word

no.

by Pants on Jul 31, 2007 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions

Don't be so sure

From Wikipedia:

"Scott Proctor is a power pitcher with a diverse pitch repertoire. Proctor's fastball ranges from 94 mph to almost 100, although he was known to throw beyond 100 as the closer for the Columbus Clippers, the Yankees' former AAA affiliate. As a former minor league starter, Proctor features several plus pitches. He will throw both four and two-seam fastballs. Proctor's secondary pitches include a mid-eighties slider, a high seventies curveball, and an occasional changeup in the low eighties. Scott will throw all but his changeup in any count, but his primary weapons are the four-seam fastball, the curve, and the slider. Proctor's power fastball/curve/slider combo and willingness to pitch multiple innings of relief have drawn comparisons to Scot Shields of the Los Angeles Angels."

by Spec20 on Jul 31, 2007 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions

Three hours to go

and I'm getting nervous. Not that I doubt KT, just that this whole thing has the feeling of one of Trevor's saves: you know he's going to get the job done better than anyone else in his line of work but it's still nervewracking 'til it's over.

"I try not to get overly excited... But I am pleased with it..."

by TheThirdGonzalez on Jul 31, 2007 9:58 AM PDT reply actions

sadly

i don't see anything happening. the biggest possible deal we could pull off would be prospects for mike lamb. and if houston does that, they have to admit that they're destroying and rebuilding, which probably means the end of Phil Gardner. that's a tough decision to make.

KT loves to let the trade deadline pass and then play the waiver game. he does it just about every year.

a move i would absolutely LOVE and i haven't heard anything about is sending the pitching prospects we just got over to Toronto for Troy Glaus. he can play 3B, SS or 2B and is a right-handed hitter with a ton of power. he's a difference maker.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions

Glaus at 2B

Troy Glaus has never played 2B as a professional and has only played 16 games at SS in more than 10 years in professional baseball. He's a 3B/DH...

He's not an answer.

by paul @ Gaslamp Ball on Jul 31, 2007 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions

glaus

i seem to remember hearing last year that glaus was willing to move to ss or 2b to make room for some big bats in toronto's lineup. this is mostly what my assumption was based on. he's also not your normal slow-footed 3b, he's fairly quick.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions

i'm with obviousman

If I had to bet, I'd say KT stands pat. Maybe one underwhelming trade. Would love to pick up someone like Troy Glaus, but I don't see it happening. Then again, I thought Crystal Pepsi would last through at least 2050.

by Dalton on Jul 31, 2007 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions

Man, that was some good stuff

It had a hint of nutmeg, I recall. Loved it; wish they'd bring it back.

"I try not to get overly excited... But I am pleased with it..."

by TheThirdGonzalez on Jul 31, 2007 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions

I'm with ya....

I really want to see us get some bench help (Lamb or Loretta) and another starter. This will be a stressful few hours.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions

Ummmm, too much wishful thinking

One bat won't change this line-up... and given Towers history, another Joe Randa/Todd Walker type trade will not help this team. We just need to stick with small ball and clutch hitting... it's just too bad we strike out so much. All year the small ball hasn't been working, and we end up winning on solo hr's. We need that clutch hitter, and it seems like Geoff Blum (?!?!?!) and Milton are the only Padres capable of that at this moment.

by 19 51 @ Gaslamp Ball on Jul 31, 2007 10:27 AM PDT reply actions

I don't think we're getting anything recognizable

The names I see getting thrown around here aren't "supersubs". They're starters. We're not going to replace any positions at this point except for maybe second base and even then, I'd call it a long shot.

We'll get somebody that I think most Gaslamp Ballers would be like, "oh... we got him?"

by Dex on Jul 31, 2007 10:30 AM PDT reply actions

i don't get this

why are we held in a lower standard than other ballclubs?

-the braves have a veteran and a rookie at 1B, both playing decent, but to push for the playoffs they go get the biggest bat available.

-the phillies have a few guys who could fill in at 2B for a month for chase utley, but they go get a starter to fill his shoes and eventually help with the mess at 3B

we're not the only team that is "solid" at most positions and flawed at just one or two. that's why we have the record we have right now. but how are we ever going to get past the first round of the playoffs with a solid, but flawed team every year. hope and pray that our strengths cover our weaknesses? what about lessening the weaknesses? being aggressive?

the fans care, we write blogs, we go to games and WE WANT TO WIN. i, for one, am sick of being just good enough to get my heart ripped out in the playoffs. eight teams make the playoffs each year. we've made in the last few years even though we are TWENTY-SEVENTH OUT OF THIRTY TEAMS in terms of overall payroll. we're always somewhere in the top 10 in attendance, with the exception of the last couple years at the Q. what is the problem with actually going for it and adding more than a bench player?

i'm tired of this:

"currently second base for us is being covered by Marcus Giles (hitting under .200 for the last 3 months) and Geoff Blum (hitting .237 for the year). not to mention our starting SS is hitting .233 and our starting 3B is hitting .236. that's at least 3 starters hitting under .240 each night out!!!"

championships are built on defense and pitching and a team that can actually make contact.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions

Those teams

have farm systems. The Braves system is always LOADED. The phillies have done a good job getting respectible the last few years.

We have almost zero major-league ready players in our system. This was obvious when we had to bring up Chase from AA ball after he only had 150 AB there.

Right now our A-ball team is killing it, but it is going to be another 3 years before we start seeing them in the majors, and another 2 years before they are tradeable pieces.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions

exactly

our farm system sucks right now, so why aren't we taking some team's big contract off of their hands (like glaus)? obviously nobody is coming up from the minors to fill these holes or flaws we have. most of the people on this board put more faith in "hope" than the team. hope marcus gets it going again, or blum keeps hitting, or milton bradley takes off.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions

whoops

sorry, got a little carried away. we're actually 24th in overall payroll, not 27th. here are some teams that are ahead of us though:

Atlanta Braves
Oakland Athletics
Minnesota Twins
Cincinnati Reds
KC Royals

these are teams that i always hear referred to as "cheap". these are the teams that cannot afford to sign their talented young players to long term deals (usually). we are not only in their league in terms of payroll, but we are far below them.

here's how they stack up in terms of attendance this year:

San Diego (12th)
Atlanta (14th)
Oakland (25th)
Minnesota (18th)
Cincinnati (22nd)
Kansas City (28th)

why are we spending less than them?

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions

Alderson's thoughts

Sandy and KT stated they had more money to spend this year, but did not like the contracts that the FA were getting. He doesn't believe in financially mortgaging the future on ridiculous contracts. Can't say that I blame him either, I hated the last few years when we had 60% of our payroll in dead money with the likes of Nevin/Park, Klesko, Woody, etc.

Also if you look at all the large contracts signed in the last 10 years very few have worked out, from the past offseason three of them already looks like complete flops (Schmidt, Zito and Drew), and I think that the others will be bad.

Here are few highlights of bad contracts that are still out there or just ended in the last year:
Michael Young: somehow this was a bad contract as soon as he signed even though he is the same player statstically as Jeter.
Helton: (can't be traded)
Hampton (was paid by two teams not to pitch for them)
Giambi,
Manny: (was put on waivers and NO team claimed him, of course this season they thought it was playable
Sweeney: (as soon as he signed this KC was doomed)
Damon: (had one good season for the yankess, not great, now he is terrible)
Nagle (I think this one came off the books two years ago, but he was dead money for 5 of the 8 years, and not good when he pitched)
AROD (Texas is paying the Yankess almost $5M a year for the remainder of the contract; You could argue he is worth that much money but it did not help out the Rangers)
Randy Johnson (somehow the D-Backs have eaten parts of the last TWO contracts he has signed so he wouldn't pitch for them?????).
Griffey (I like Jr. and think he is worth his salary but for 4 years he was blamed for all of the Reds problems).
Carl Pavano (one of the all time worsts).

What signings have worked recently? Pujols seems like he making his money, but once he turns 38 next year....I mean 28.....
Jeter is making $18M a year seems like that is good(great if you have a $220M payroll), but if you take him out of the Stadium his power. numbers go down signficantly.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions

What's Todd Walker upto?

I remember that I hated the contract he got, and after Marcus's April we all but wrote him off. At this point he seems like he would have been a good option as 2b.

Worse thought is that he could of been installed at 3b after Kouz's early struggles.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 10:38 AM PDT reply actions

Walker

Hasn't played a game for the A's since May 10th.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions

He was released on May 17th.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions

i thought

i heard him on espn radio before the hall of fame induction.

by socalgirl30 on Jul 31, 2007 10:44 AM PDT up reply actions

That you did

I remembered thinking, the best Toddie Wahkah can do is play second fiddle on pre-ceremony radio coverage? Can't he even be a bench player for some contender?

by Pants on Jul 31, 2007 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions

2 1/2 hours to go

I HATE this.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 10:39 AM PDT reply actions

Igawa

just heard word that the Yankees are deciding whether or not to give us Kei Igawa.

he's 2-3 this year with a 6.79 ERA. in 10 games pitched this year he's gone more than 5 innings only 3 times.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 10:51 AM PDT reply actions

source

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/Igawa-to-the-Padres-if-Yanks-sell?urn=mlb,40921

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions

please, sweet dear lord, no

can't we at least inquire about Jose Contreras or Jeff Weaver first???

by Dalton on Jul 31, 2007 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions

it looks aight to me

Igawa will get fixed up pitching in the NL west + mechanics coaching with Balsley. This guy was the strike out leader in Japan. He's good, the Yanks just rushed him.

by 19 51 @ Gaslamp Ball on Jul 31, 2007 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions

who's the yankee pitching coach

isn't it Guidry? is Balsley really that much better than Guidry?

i'll take Igawa for free, but somehow i don't see the Yankees going for that.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 11:06 AM PDT up reply actions

I think he could help us

because the majority of NL hitters haven't stepped in against him much if at all... up until we overexpose him like we have a tendency to do. I can see him putting up great numbers for us the rest of this season and being completely figured out by everybody by Opening Day (sound familiar?).

"I try not to get overly excited... But I am pleased with it..."

by TheThirdGonzalez on Jul 31, 2007 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions

He'd probably take Germano's spot, I would think

And the only advantage there is that Igawa at least strikes out batters once in a while....in addition to walking a ton....and giving up a lot of HR's (I'm aware that he's in the AL East). I ain't no fancy scout, but I've watched several of his games this year, and they're pretty painful. If he ever pops up on waivers, great, but trading anything other a single-A bench player for him at this point seems like a pointless lateral move.

by Dalton on Jul 31, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions

I'd do it

I'd almost rather get an Igawa who COULD get better, than a Weaver who WON'T get better. The Padres really wanted him in the off-season and we all know how good Towers is at finding pitchers. In PETCO and the pitcher-friendly NL West, I wouldn't be against an Igawa trade.

by JollyWaffle on Jul 31, 2007 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions

The Braves....

The Braves are now going after Bronson Arroyo. John Schuerholz is not f*cking around. Wow.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 10:57 AM PDT reply actions

Wow

4.5 out and he obviously thinks NY and Philly can be had. He's probably right.

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 31, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions

as much as it pains me to say it

He knows what he is doing, 13 titles in a row.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions

unfortunately

i dont think the pads will make a move at all, but oh well last year we didn't play well after the all-star break and were on fire in august and sept so i still have the FAITH

by i miss bip on Jul 31, 2007 10:58 AM PDT reply actions

I'm surprised

that there hasn't been any interest expressed regarding Mark Grudzielanek. He seems like a Padres kind of player (maybe we're turned off by the thought that his BA would make everyone else look bad, er, worse) and would give the Khali-Lama a surehanded partner as well as hammering out a bunch of singles just to get stranded. Maybe I am a bit biased since we're somewhat distant cousins...

"I try not to get overly excited... But I am pleased with it..."

by TheThirdGonzalez on Jul 31, 2007 11:06 AM PDT reply actions

good choice

definitely a padres kind of player. cheap too. i have no idea why we wouldn't be going after him except for the fact that the padres haven't been actively going after ANY second baseman.

and fans forgot about him because he plays in a black hole.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions

alright open question

if you could have one player to get at the deadline, with padres in mind who would it be?

my vote is carl crawford

by i miss bip on Jul 31, 2007 11:07 AM PDT reply actions

A-Rod

Without a doubt. he could carry the offense on his freaking back.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions

do they have to be available?

or do we just name the best player we can think of?

by ExPadtriate on Jul 31, 2007 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions

Big Crawford fan

but Arod is the best, then Pujols, then Santana.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions

Alex Cora!

(you should have seen that coming)

"I try not to get overly excited... But I am pleased with it..."

by TheThirdGonzalez on Jul 31, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions

Looking at Payrolls of some Teams

the D-Backs have $52Million dollar payroll, but owe RJ $35M in the next few years, plus it does not include the money they are paying players not to play for them;

2007 payroll obligations for former players:
$ 7,120,000 (Russ Ortiz)
$ 5,800,000 (Shawn Green)
$ 1,000,000 (Jorge Julio)
$ 2,500,000 (Javier Vazquez

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 11:09 AM PDT reply actions

D-Backs

Actually owe RJ $68 million dollars over the next five years. And I think they're still paying Matt Williams.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions

Yeah

I didn't include the defferred payments from that championship team, I know Mark Grace and Shilling are still getting paid.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions

i was thinking

somewhat attainable, but no payrole doesn't matter

by i miss bip on Jul 31, 2007 11:10 AM PDT reply actions

Well then A-Rod

Miguel Tejada would be nice too.

by ExPadtriate on Jul 31, 2007 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions

loretta

anyone heard anything about him? he is probably the best player we can hope for today.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jul 31, 2007 11:11 AM PDT reply actions

Only that...

...the Padres have more interest in Mike Lamb than Loretta.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions

this is the last thing i heard

"The San Diego Padres are showing minimal interest in Houston Astros infielder Mark Loretta, a right-handed hitter.

The Padres would prefer infielder Mike Lamb, a left-handed hitter who offers more power."

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions

Dodgers Payroll

Man they got some really bad contracts...
Here are a few highltights

Opening Day payrolls for 25-man roster: 2007: $108,454,524

2007 payroll obligations for former players:
$ 7,500,000 (Odalis Perez)
$ 4,500,000 (Bill Mueller)
$ 1,700,000 (Brady Clark)
$ 925,000 (Marlon Anderson)

Paul DePodesta (hired 2/04, receiving a 5-year, $4M contract, 2004-08)

Jason Schmidt p
3 years/$47M (2007-09)

signed as a free agent 12/06
$10.5M signing bonus (paid 2008-2011)

07:$12.5M, 08:$12M, 09:$12M
no-trade protection
perks: premium tickets for home games

Schmidt to donate $0.1M annually to club charity

(How could I forget 0 For Juan!!!)
Juan Pierre of
5 years/$44M (2007-11)

signed as a free agent 11/06
07:$7.5M, 08:$8M, 09:$10M, 10:$10M, 11:$8.5M

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 11:16 AM PDT reply actions

Red Sox win the Gagne Sweepstakes....

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7078768

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:17 AM PDT reply actions

at least he is out of our division

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions

Cordero to the D-Backs?

D-Backs might send Carlos Quention to DC for Chad Cordero.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/baseball/mlb/07/31/cordero.talks/index.html

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions

Not worry about Cordero

rather have him close games than valverde against us.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions

What?

"It is possible the Red Sox will allow him to share the closer's role with Jonathan Papelbon."

Uh...why?

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 31, 2007 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions

Agreed

I think Papelbon is an absolute BEAST.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions

Totally

That statement makes no sense. Set up guy, sure. But I find it hard to believe anyone in the Sox organization told Gagne he could share the closer's role.

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 31, 2007 11:22 AM PDT up reply actions

Unless Manny told him that

Then I would totally believe it.

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 31, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions

Gagne as closer

Don't forget. The Red Sox were really looking to make Papelbon a starter. If Gagne is even halfway decent, I bet that's how they'll go.

by Dex on Jul 31, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions

Not mid-season

Maybe next yr, but not now.

And Gagne is only halfway decent.

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 31, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions

I dunno... I wouldn't put it past them

Especially considering what a post season rotation might look like. Knowing that they could go deep into a bullpen, they might be thinking that Papelbon could start a postseason game and be good for 4 innings.

With Bill James in the office, I'd bet that they'd be willing to try something like that.

by Dex on Jul 31, 2007 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions

I guess

The fact, though, that you wouldn't really have a sense of what you're gonna get consistently from Gagne would make me really nervous.

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 31, 2007 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions

It's possible...

I know he had a no-trade list of teams...maybe the Red Sox were one of them. It's possible he only agreed to the deal if he could share the closers role. Who knows?

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions

papsmearbon

He wanted to start at the beginning of the season, and the RedSox have a weak 5 starter, maybe they will take that route. This isn't completed yet either, Gag me has to approve the trade.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jul 31, 2007 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions

Gagne to Papelbon

Seems a solid 1-2 to me.

-shane

[This Space For Rent]

by ShaneHale on Jul 31, 2007 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions

Gagne sweepstakes?

I think Gagne's best use will be for Padres fans demonstrating that it's not easy to be Trevor Hoffman.

by Dex on Jul 31, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions

Giants are what you shouldn't do with payroll

Opening Day payrolls for 25-man roster
2007: $ 90,219,056 *

2007 payroll obligations for former players:
$2,000,000 (Tim Worrell)
$4,733,333 (Armando Benitez)

Highlights of BAD contracts:
Bruce Bochy Manager
3 years/about $6M (2007-09)

Barry Zito p
7 years/$126M (2007-13), plus 2014 club option

signed as a free agent 12/06 (largest-ever pitcher contract at signing)
07:$10M, 08:$14.5M, 09:$18.5M, 10:$18.5M, 11:$18.5M, 12:$19M, 13:$20M, 14:$18M club option ($7M buyout)
option vests with 200 IP in 2013 or 400 IP in 2012-13 or 600 IP 2011-13
if 2014 option vests, Zito may opt out & receive $3.5M buyout

full no-trade clause
award bonuses:
Cy Young award: $0.5M for winning once, $0.75M for 2nd time, $1M each for 3 or more ($0.2M for placing 2nd in vote, $0.15M for 3rd, $0.1M for 4th, $50,000 for 5th)
MVP: $0.25M for winning, $0.15M for 2nd place in vote, $0.1M for 3rd, $75,000 for 4th, $50,000 for 5th
WS MVP: $0.2M
Gold Glove, All Star selection or LCS MVP: $0.1M each

perks: suite on road trips

Barry Bonds of
1 year/$15.8M (2007), plus performance bonuses

re-signed as a free agent 2/07 (Bonds' agent has said that any provision allowing the club to void the contract in the wake of an indictment is not enforceable under the Collective Bargaining Agreement.)

07:$15.8M ($5.8M of 2007 salary deferred)

$4.2M in performance bonuses:
$0.5M for 250 PAs
$1M each for 300, 375 & 450 PAs
$0.7M for 525 PAs
if Bonds is indicted, club has right to:
terminate contract under sections 7(b)(1) and 7(b)(3) of Uniform Player Contract
convert contract to non-guaranteed deal, allowing club to release him before Opening Day & pay 30 or 45 days' termination pay

Bonds agreed not to ask the players' union to file a grievance if he is released after an indictment
under the agreement, Bonds' personal trainers are no longer club employees & no longer allowed in restricted areas at Major League parks
perks: hotel suite on road, use of luxury suite for 5 home games, 5 free lower box seats for each road game

Ray Durham 2b
2 years/$14.5M (2007-08)
Dave Roberts of
3 years/$18M (2007-09)
Randy Winn of
3 years/$23.25M (2007-09)
Rich Aurilia inf
2 years/$8M (2007-08)
Bengie Molina c
3 years/$16M (2007-09)

signed as a free agent 12/06
07:$4M, 08:$6M, 09:$6M
performance bonuses based on games started as catcher
$50,000 for 80 GS, $75,000 for 95 GS, $0.1M for 105 GS, $0.125M for 115 GS, $0.15M for 125 GS

award bonuses: $0.1M for MVP, $0.1M for Gold Glove, $75,000 for WS MVP, $50,000 each for Silver Slugger, LCS MVP, All Star ($25,000 for selection)
Molina to donate $25,000 annually to Giants charity
Molina to participate in Athletic Performance Training Program each off-season at club's expense

Mike Matheny c
3 years/$10.5M (2005-07), plus $4M 2008 club option
retired 2/07
$3M signing bonus (05:$0.5M, 06:$1M, 07:$1.5M)

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 11:24 AM PDT reply actions

Ummmm....

We are now about 90 minutes away from the deadline and there has been nothing happening on the Padres front. Maybe we should send someone over to KT's house? Maybe he slipped in the shower and bumped his head? It's possible he's been passed out on the floor all morning. Anyone interested in volunteering??

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:28 AM PDT reply actions

haha

hilarious. on the contrary side of things, i'm wondering if the whole day towers was working out trades for everyone the padres fans could dream of getting, and every time he'd call Moores only to be shot down with a "you are not allowed to add payroll!!!"

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions

I really hope not.

Money we didn't spend on free agents and on draftees was supposed to be usable at the trade deadline. I don't want to feel like I did last year at this time. I want our ballclub to be better this afternoon than it was this morning. Is that too much to ask? DAMMIT! COME ON.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions

a shower accident?

better call the giles brothers.

by pjbno4 on Jul 31, 2007 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions

Tony Gwyn's contracts (only one team)

San Diego Padres 1982-2001

1 year/$2M (2001), plus incentives
additional $3.7M with 600 plate appearances

2 years/$10.6M (1999-2000), plus $6M 2001 club option
99:$4.3M, 00:$4.3M, 01:$6M club option ($2M buyout)
signed extension 4/97 (picked up 98 option at same time)

club declined 2001 option 11/00

2 years/$8.5M (1996-97), plus $4M 1998 club option
96:$4M, 97:$4M, 98:$4M ($0.5M buyout)
additional $0.5M/year for 500 plate appearances

club exercised $4M 1998 option 4/97
3 years/$12.25M (1993-95)
$1.15M signing bonus

93:$3.6M, 94:$3.25M, 95:$4.25M

signed extension 2/91

1 year/$2M (1991), plus $2M 1992 club option
91:$2M, 92:$2M club option ($0.2M buyout)
club must make decision on 1992 option by end of 1990 season

signed extension 12/88

5 years (1985-89), plus 1990 club option

six-figure signing bonus
total value of $4.5M if option is exercised

85:$0.5M, 88:$1M, 89:$1M, 90:club option
club added award bonuses 3/87
club added $0.5M 2/88

signed 11/84, replacing final year of previous deal, which was to pay $0.18M for 1985

84:$0.1M

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 11:30 AM PDT reply actions

00:01:29:36

Clocks Ticking... KT get moving.

-shane

[This Space For Rent]

by ShaneHale on Jul 31, 2007 11:30 AM PDT reply actions

Papelbon and Gagne

I think they might want Gagne to "share" the closer role because there has been some concern in the past about Papelbon overworking his shoulder in a relieving role and they probably want to keep him healthy. Hideki Okajima kind of shares the closer role now, and he and Gagne could make a good righty-lefty half-closer...or something.

by ExPadtriate on Jul 31, 2007 11:35 AM PDT reply actions

excellent point

they could call them the "three-headed monster".

by the way, gagne is going to be a major fan favorite if he goes to boston. he'll be the new johnny damon.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions

PADRE FAN!!

PADRE FAN...WHERE ARE YOU ON A TUESDAY?? THE TRADE DEADLINE IN MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL IS EIGHTY MINUTES AWAY AND YOUR BASEBALL TEAM HAS DONE NOTHING TO IMPROVE ITSELF. WHY IS KEVIN TOWERS SITTING ON HIS HANDS DOING NOTHING?? IS JOHN MOORES KEEPING THE VAULT LOCKED?? I HAVE TEN PHONE LINES AVAILABLE. FIRST TIME CALLERS...LADIES...LET'S GET THESE PHONE LINES JAM PACKED!

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:41 AM PDT reply actions

SHOW ME YOUR LIGHTNING BOLT!

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions

CALL PASS INTERFERENCE, DAMMIT!

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions

THE DODGERS HAVE MADE A TRADE!

DOES THAT MAKE YOU ANGRY? ESCONDIDO! EL CAJON! SAN YSIDRO! I WANNA HEAR FROM YOU!!!

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 31, 2007 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions

Am is suppose to worried about Scott Proctor

Everyone knows that Torre rides set-up men like a chevy with 300K miles on it. Sure the paint job looks good, but it could throw a rod at any second.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions

Umm...no.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions

After this comment on ESPN

I think we are DESTINED to have Ensberg as a Padre
"He just needed to be spotted correctly. Ensberg against all lefties and softer righties, and Lamb against legit righties wou;d've netted some nice numbers. I don't think Ensberg is a star by any means, but I do think he'd be a very useful part-time player."

Non-star, part-time player.....sounds like our new cleanup hitter!

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 11:43 AM PDT reply actions

the nice thing about enbsberg

If there was ever a player that could be described as "clutch", it's Ensberg. That's a guy that will show up precisely when he's needed and only in somewhat desperate situations. And I don't mean that as a completely good thing.

by Dex on Jul 31, 2007 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions

why

why do we need Ensberg? or Eckstein for that matter? as far as i'm concerned, the padres need a bat to play either 3B, 2B or SS.

Tejada, Glaus, etc.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions

I dunno...

Is Ensberg a former padre or a local boy?

Those are really the two main types of players we target.

perhaps we could sign him under the "washed up star" clause, but whether or not he was ever actually a star is uncertain.

by pjbno4 on Jul 31, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions

Ensberg

I think he lives in San Diego.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions

southern california?

I know he went to USC.

by Dex on Jul 31, 2007 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions

Ensberg

Ensberg attended Redondo Union High School (Redondo Beach, California) and starred in baseball and basketball.

Ensberg attended the University of Southern California and played third base for the 1998 National Champions. Current Astros Jason Lane and Eric Munson also played on that team.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions

I love Ensberg

I went to USC when they won the national championship in 1998, and got to see all three of them play. (Jason Lane was one of their better starting pitchers, incidentally, and batted for himself in the lineup) I went to pretty much every home baseball game while I was there (I missed a couple in my last two years). Two fun Ensberg stories:

His parents are pretty awesome. There was one game that I remember, when his dad was up and dancing to Copacabana being played over the speakers, and his parents had a coorordinated thing going, where they were sitting in different places in the stadium (the seating area was pretty tiny), and when he would make a good play, one of them would say "Whose boy is that?" and the other would say "That's my boy!" Needless to say, if we could make this happen at Petco, it would be fantastic.

In another game, one of the umpires had been hit by a ball, and knocked out of the game. For the remainder of the game, there was no third base umpire. A left handed batter was up, and with two strikes, he tried to check his swing. The home plate umpire didn't call a strike, so Munson appealed to third base, where Ensberg was all by his lonesome, there being no umpire. Ensberg signaled that he went, and the home plate umpire rang the guy up.

In conclusion, all of the Ensbergs are pretty awesome, and I'd love to have him as a Padre.

by Boy Howdy on Jul 31, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions

Dodgers....

ESPN just had Buster Olney on to say that the Joe Blanton to the Dodgers talks are still ongoing. Rosenthal had indicated that the Dodgers' offer last night fell short.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:45 AM PDT reply actions

Blanton

now that would worry me a little bit.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions

i would hate to see that

blanton is REALLY good.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions

as long as 0-For-Juan

is in CF for them, we will have a chance.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions

He is...

They want the world for him, though.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions

Yes, that would suck

If only we can sign a horrible 1-armed just-released Astro third baseman, we should be able slide right into the playoffs!!!!

by Dalton on Jul 31, 2007 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions

breaking news

rob mcgoviak for a minor leaguer

by i miss bip on Jul 31, 2007 11:51 AM PDT reply actions

Rob Mackowiak

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions

there's our supersub

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions

jason stark

said that on the espn special

by i miss bip on Jul 31, 2007 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions

.278 avg 36 rbis 6 hrs

thats a good upgrade for the bench

by pads44 on Jul 31, 2007 11:54 AM PDT reply actions

Trade

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/padres/20070731-1152-trade.html

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 11:59 AM PDT reply actions

in/out

If Rob is in, who gets DFA'd/AAA'd?

"Winfield's head hits the wall! It's rolling toward second base!" - Jerry Coleman

by metalsupplier on Jul 31, 2007 12:05 PM PDT up reply actions

Scott Hairston

will probably become a Beaver.

by ExPadtriate on Jul 31, 2007 12:09 PM PDT up reply actions

"oh..."

"...we got him?"

I had to laugh at the comments people are posting about this trade over at MLBTR.

"BLOCKBUSTER!"

"OH MY GOD!"

by Dalton on Jul 31, 2007 12:00 PM PDT reply actions

ONE HOUR TO GO

Rob Mackowiak...wow.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:01 PM PDT reply actions

EAT IT, DODGERS!!!!

Y'all are about to get Mack-o-wacked!!!

by Dalton on Jul 31, 2007 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions

i'd rather not

end the season with 3 full time starters hitting less than .240. for some reason that doesn't say "world series contender" to me.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 12:10 PM PDT reply actions

Dreaming

Dreaming of a higher payroll and a well-stocked farm system to make these days actually enjoyable to be a Padre fan.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:14 PM PDT reply actions

Rob Mackowiak

Jeez... why the hell don't we make a useful move?!?

"I try not to get overly excited... But I am pleased with it..."

by TheThirdGonzalez on Jul 31, 2007 12:15 PM PDT reply actions

Man...

I just hope the guys in the clubhouse aren't as deflated as I feel right now.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions

Well

I like the idea of making a small improvement and not giving up too much. This depends of course on who the prospect was, but I'm assuming it wasn't anyone of note.

I really like Mackowiak and think he'll be a great addition to the bench. He isn't sexy, but a deep bench is just as important as a deep bullpen. I'd rather have him around than Hairston, who doesn't seem like a very capable pinch hitter. He might be a good player if he got the chance to start, but they'd have to be crazy to let him take at bats away from Jose Cruz, let alone the starters. Mackowiak is a guy who has proven that he can produce decent numbers as a starter.

"Winfield's head hits the wall! It's rolling toward second base!" - Jerry Coleman

by metalsupplier on Jul 31, 2007 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Another Todd Walker?

Is Macowiak another Todd Walker... trade deadline is less then a hour away and we pull this? Why is it we never get the big name we are looking for.

I guess this is another upgrade:
Macowiak > Hairston > Sledge

- shane

[This Space For Rent]

by ShaneHale on Jul 31, 2007 12:16 PM PDT reply actions

Teixeira to the Braves Update:

The Rangers received even more than anticipated for first baseman Mark Teixeira and reliever Ron Mahay. We knew they were getting Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Elvis Andrus, Neftali Feliz, and Matt Harrison. But there's now a fifth prospect going to Texas: southpaw Beau Jones.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:17 PM PDT reply actions

Forty three minutes to go

and the best we've done is Rob Mackowiak? Now, I know KT hasn't been one to overreact and that a lot of his best deals have been done via waivers but come on... Rob Mackowiak? What the hell do we need with Rob Mackowiak?

"I try not to get overly excited... But I am pleased with it..."

by TheThirdGonzalez on Jul 31, 2007 12:20 PM PDT reply actions

More on Mack

http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/weblog/2007/07/mackowiak_to_padres.html

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions

well

He's better than Jose Cruz, and he can play 3B.

"Winfield's head hits the wall! It's rolling toward second base!" - Jerry Coleman

by metalsupplier on Jul 31, 2007 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions

Typically the day after the trade deadline...

I start getting excited its almost football season. Chargers at least have some big-name player and put up some points.

- shane

[This Space For Rent]

by ShaneHale on Jul 31, 2007 12:23 PM PDT reply actions

Ensberg to the Padres

Padres Acquire Morgan Ensberg
According to Buster Olney (via RotoWorld), the Padres have traded for third baseman Morgan Ensberg.

Kevin Kouzmanoff might be well-served with a platoon partner, but it would make sense to get someone who hits righties. Both Kouzmanoff and Ensberg excel against southpaws, Kouzmanoff more so this year.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:24 PM PDT reply actions

Ensberg

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=MLb&id=3150

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions

oh man

Ensberg has been terrible this year, but if the Padres can get him fixed, he was so awesome so recently, and he's only 31.

"Winfield's head hits the wall! It's rolling toward second base!" - Jerry Coleman

by metalsupplier on Jul 31, 2007 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions

now we REALLY can't hit righties

at least Ensberg's contract is up at the end of the year.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions

good job KT/Moores!

way to show the fans and the team that you want to win a championship!

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT reply actions

Padres Acquire Morgan Ensberg

According to Buster Olney (via RotoWorld), the Padres have traded for third baseman Morgan Ensberg.

Kevin Kouzmanoff might be well-served with a platoon partner, but it would make sense to get someone who hits righties. Both Kouzmanoff and Ensberg excel against southpaws, Kouzmanoff more so this year.

http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/MlbTradeRumors/~3/139312604/padres-acquir-2.html

[This Space For Rent]

by ShaneHale on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT reply actions

Ensberg

As soon as the Stros designated him for assignment I knew the Padres wouldn't pass up the chance for another reclamation project. He's just like Russell Branyan with less power and a few more contact hits.

by ExPadtriate on Jul 31, 2007 12:27 PM PDT reply actions

McGoviak

I think this is probably a good pickup to get some starts (maybe 1/3?) at 3rd against some righties. It's a long season for Kouz and he's not hitting RHPs well. They're not getting Lamb, I think this means.

Give KT credit though, the big move was Milton Bradley last month, and Barrett before that. Still love to see Loretta. With Stauffer, Wells and Germano in the starting five for the moment, we clearly are going to need offense.

by Billy Almon on Jul 31, 2007 12:29 PM PDT reply actions

But why another third baseman?

Kouz

Mackowiak
Ensberg
Hillenbrand at Portland

Weird.

by Billy Almon on Jul 31, 2007 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions

Hillenbrand

I think Hillenbrand is more to spell A-Gon than Kouz, but yeah, that is a lot of 3B.

by ExPadtriate on Jul 31, 2007 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions

well

As long as Hillenbrand stays at AAA, I'm happy to pretend that he doesn't exist.

"Winfield's head hits the wall! It's rolling toward second base!" - Jerry Coleman

by metalsupplier on Jul 31, 2007 12:35 PM PDT up reply actions

30 MINUTES TO GO

Why am I sick to my stomach?

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:30 PM PDT reply actions

you're not the only one

"i kinda feel like nevin and klesko were some fling we (the padres) had in the past and now realize were a bad idea and are embarrassed about."

by freelunch on Jul 31, 2007 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions

ditto

[This Space For Rent]

by ShaneHale on Jul 31, 2007 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions

because

our moves have been for Rob Mackowiak and Morgan Ensberg. In the long term I always appreciate what KT's done but right now I'd like to see him have some balls.

"I try not to get overly excited... But I am pleased with it..."

by TheThirdGonzalez on Jul 31, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions

This really isn't that bad

I'm not sure why everyone is upset; there wasn't a lot to be had that would fit the Padres needs. I personally think it's pretty cool that we got Mackowiak since he's a legitimate hitter (above .250) off the bench as opposed to Hairston/Branyan/Sledge.

Hopefully we didn't give up any good prospects today.

by ExPadtriate on Jul 31, 2007 12:33 PM PDT reply actions

The moves haven't been sexy

But Towers has improved the talent level on the offense by quite a bit over the past month. The moves haven't been sexy, but I like the look of the current offense a lot better than I did in April.

"Winfield's head hits the wall! It's rolling toward second base!" - Jerry Coleman

by metalsupplier on Jul 31, 2007 12:33 PM PDT reply actions

Only good move so far....

Bradley.

by planetjeffy on Jul 31, 2007 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions

I like the Mack pick-up....

...but Ensberg?? Ensberg makes no sense.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:36 PM PDT reply actions

Who did we give up for him?

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 31, 2007 12:38 PM PDT up reply actions

Kouz vs Ensberg - Why bother?

This season:
Kouz BA .233 HR 11 RBI 44
Enz .232 8 31

Enz has a higher OBP by 30 pts and has 60 fewer bats. What kind of move is this? Is this going to help our hitting/scoring problem?

by planetjeffy on Jul 31, 2007 12:37 PM PDT reply actions

exactly

how did this help our team at all? if anything it hurts our team because it takes time away from Kooz

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions

i would like to know

what we gave up

by i miss bip on Jul 31, 2007 12:38 PM PDT reply actions

also

who are we going to send down

by i miss bip on Jul 31, 2007 12:40 PM PDT reply actions

20 minutes left...

[This Space For Rent]

by ShaneHale on Jul 31, 2007 12:41 PM PDT reply actions

mlbtraderumors just had this up

UPDATE: Will Carroll reports that the Padres appear to be close to a deal for both Lamb and Loretta. Not sure if the Ensberg acquisition changes this.

by i miss bip on Jul 31, 2007 12:42 PM PDT reply actions

What does the roster look like now?

I've been out of the loop the last week, so basically I'd need to see a rundown of all the moves post the Linebrink deal, including today.

It really looks like every position has turned into a platoon, and that scares me.

by matthewverygood on Jul 31, 2007 12:42 PM PDT reply actions

MLBTR

Says...

"Will Carroll reports that the Padres appear to be close to a deal for both Lamb and Loretta. Not sure if the Ensberg acquisition changes this."

So Loretta/Lamb aren't completely goners...

by Mr Meadows on Jul 31, 2007 12:42 PM PDT reply actions

Are there any more Astros available?

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 31, 2007 12:43 PM PDT reply actions

Jason Jennings

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions

sign him up? LOL

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by ShaneHale on Jul 31, 2007 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions

It's like MLB is contracting them

"Give away all the Astros TODAY!"

by Winfield's Ghost on Jul 31, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions

i'd take berman

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions

Chris Berman?

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions

missed the k

meant to say berkman

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions

details

Mac for John Link
Ensberg for Cash and Player to be Named

[This Space For Rent]

by ShaneHale on Jul 31, 2007 12:46 PM PDT reply actions

John Link?

Who the hell is John Link?

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions

John Link

is probably an OK price. Has anyone heard of him?

by ExPadtriate on Jul 31, 2007 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions

Jon Link

Jon Link, a 26th-round pick out of Bluefield JC in Virginia in 2005, has embraced the closer's role at Lake Elsinore. He has 11 saves and a 2.86 ERA. In 34 2/3 innings, he has walked just four with 40 strikeouts.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions

Closer for the Storm

I guess he's a RHP for the Storm. Only info I've found so far.

- shane

[This Space For Rent]

by ShaneHale on Jul 31, 2007 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions

Ensberg for Loretta

Hillenbrand for Lamb
Stauffer for Jennings
confirmed. Ensberg back to the Astros was only possible by splitting Ensberg's soul seven aways, according to MLBTR.

by Billy Almon on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT reply actions

Mac and Enz for nothing.....

Another KT deal. Works for pitchers, but not for hitters. We are the kings of .220 - .270 hitters.

by planetjeffy on Jul 31, 2007 12:48 PM PDT reply actions

to be fair...

There's a ton of difference between a .220 and .270 hitter. At least to me...

by Dex on Jul 31, 2007 12:54 PM PDT up reply actions

AGREED!

the difference between a .220 hitter and a .270 hitter is the difference between Khalil Greene and Adrian Gonzalez

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions

ouch

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions

Bench upgrade ...sort of

Mac .278 Enz .232 Blum .237 Cruz .235 Mini Giles .232

by planetjeffy on Jul 31, 2007 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions

Less than 10 minutes.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 12:52 PM PDT reply actions

Question is....

Do Mackowiak and Ensberg dance?

by Mr Meadows on Jul 31, 2007 12:59 PM PDT reply actions

i'm sure

the giles brothers will find out for us.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions

Deadline passed...

Predictions... anything else go down?

[This Space For Rent]

by ShaneHale on Jul 31, 2007 1:00 PM PDT reply actions

TWO MORE MINUTES!

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions

I beleive the rule is

that if they are working on a deal they just have to notify the Comish office that they are close to wrapping things up. Could be 2-3 hours before the public finds out everything.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions

astros

who was the last ex-Astro on the Padres? Tim Redding? Caminiti?

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 1:01 PM PDT reply actions

Gagne

Gagne has agreed to come to Boston and will serve as the setup man.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 1:01 PM PDT reply actions

damn

they are going to be really hard to beat. it's basically a 7 inning game against them. and good luck shutting down their bats.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions

I don't understand who we were supposed to get

I guess some of you guys are upset that the Padres didn't make a big splash, but instead got a bunch of ".220-.270" hitters. Were we supposed to get Jermaine Dye instead? If you haven't noticed, he's batting .235 with a .295 OBP. The best hitter who moved was Mark Teixeira, who plays 1B. The Padres sorta already have 1B guy, and I don't much want to replace him even if he's struggled lately. And the best starting pitcher to move was Kyle Lohse, who stinks.

"Winfield's head hits the wall! It's rolling toward second base!" - Jerry Coleman

by metalsupplier on Jul 31, 2007 1:02 PM PDT reply actions

No.

But some pitching would have helped. Getting Ensberg makes no sense. Ensberg can't hit righties...EXACTLY like Kouz. What's the point? At least a Mike Lamb would have made sense. I like the Mack trade.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions

Puttin' a Dress on a Pig!!!!

That's how my pappy would describe today's Pad moves.

by planetjeffy on Jul 31, 2007 1:03 PM PDT reply actions

Your dad use to dress up pigs????

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions

How else are you supposed

to have sex with them?

by planetjeffy on Jul 31, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions

Duct tape?

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions

A Pig that's a half game out of first......

which ain't so bad. Listening to xx radio on my computer - Linebrink plug followed by a Branyan plug. Won't have to worry about the "playa to be named later" plug in the near future.

by planetjeffy on Jul 31, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions

Hopefully Mack's wife is pregnant

After his wife gave birth in '03, Mackowiak went out and hit a walk-off slam to win the first game a doubleheader then hit a game-tying shot in the second game.

Padres for life

by sdgaucho on Jul 31, 2007 1:05 PM PDT reply actions

3B

So we got Ensberg, Mackowiak and Hillenbrand. Does this spell bad news for Kouz? Does it imply they don't have a lot of confidence in him?

by Mr Meadows on Jul 31, 2007 1:14 PM PDT reply actions

I don't think Hillenbrand ever suits up

I think he was a good backup plan before today's trades, but I think they'll probably release him and let him try to catch on somewhere else, or he'll just stick with the Beaves.

"Winfield's head hits the wall! It's rolling toward second base!" - Jerry Coleman

by metalsupplier on Jul 31, 2007 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions

Mackowiak

i don't think they're throwing him in there as a replacement at 3rd. he's played 1 game there this year (against 58 played in LF) and 6 games there last year (against 100+ in the 3 OF positions). if anyone is the replacement at 3rd, it's Ensberg. Hillenbrand seems like more a backup 1B/pinch hitter and Mockowiak seems like an upgrade over Sledge.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions

I don't get the Ensberg deal at all.

Ensberg can ONLY play 3rd and is hitting just .216 against righties this season. Why take playing time away from Kouz? Didn't we trade Barfield away to develop Kouz into our starting third baseman? We stuck by Kouz through an AWFUL April...and it seemed to have paid off. Since the beginning of May he's hitting .273 with 10 HR's and 40 RBI. NOW we're going to give up on him?? I don't get it.

I understand that Kouz was struggling against right-handed pitching. If you want to platoon him with a guy that can actually hit righties....cool. But that guy is NOT Morgan Ensberg.

Rob Mackowiak can hit righties...but he's barely played third base over the last two seasons. He's only played seven games at third since the start of the 2006 season. And he hasn't played 2nd base since the 2005 season. The guy is primarily an OF. How many more goddamn outfielders do we need?? I want to Giles, Cam and Bradley out there. That's IT.

Going into the dealine we needed a guy that could help out at second and another starting pitcher. We got neither. Did the Padres get better today? I don't know. Did the Portland Beavers get better? Probably.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions

Why we got Ensberg

2005: 36 HR, 101 RBI, .283 BA, .388 OBP, .557 SLG

So they're gambling that the last season and a half was an aberration.

I personally think Kouz is still the starter.

"Winfield's head hits the wall! It's rolling toward second base!" - Jerry Coleman

by metalsupplier on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Yes, he was insane.

A complete psychopath at the plate. But then he got injured and hasn't even been close to those numbers. And the plan is to use him for what, pinch-hitting? Whatever, I have no strong feelings about this trade.

by Dalton on Jul 31, 2007 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions

AL east questions

boston already had 2 great relievers and added a 3rd one. the yankees had 2 real good relievers and traded one of them away for bench help. does anyone else find this peculiar? who are the yankees going to bring in from their pen other than Rivera?

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 1:14 PM PDT reply actions

Joba

They might bring up Joba Chamberlain from the farm, he's one of their best prospects.

"Winfield's head hits the wall! It's rolling toward second base!" - Jerry Coleman

by metalsupplier on Jul 31, 2007 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions

Joba Chamberlain

Chamberlain, the Yankees' supplemental first-round pick in last year's draft, began this season at Class A Tampa, where he was 4-0 with a 2.03 ERA. He was promoted to Double-A Trenton and went 4-2 with a 3.43 ERA before being moved up to Scranton.

Overall, Chamberlain has 125 strikeouts and 27 walks in 84 1/3 innings, allowing 61 hits for a .203 opponents' average.

by Dalton on Jul 31, 2007 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions

Did we get Loretta or not?

And do we know yet who we traded for Ensberg?

by padresgirlforlife44 on Jul 31, 2007 1:16 PM PDT reply actions

It's Ensberg and McGoviak

announced on padres.com. Really. The 'Loretta - Lamb is still alive' rumor monger must've been confused by the puzzling Ensberg trade.

How do they accomodate these two on the roster?

Send down Hairston - that's an acquisition aimed at next year/spring training
Send down a pitcher - don't we now have THIRTEEN on the roster?
A rash of Sept callups.

by Billy Almon on Jul 31, 2007 1:16 PM PDT reply actions

just got this email

from a friend of mine who is a mets fan:

"Morgan Ensberg? (tee hee hee)....."

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 1:27 PM PDT reply actions

Got similar from my friend in ATL

Teixeira....Ensberg

by planetjeffy on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions

and all it took ...

... was five of their best prospects! Not bad for 1 1/2 seasons of a Scott Boras client!

"Winfield's head hits the wall! It's rolling toward second base!" - Jerry Coleman

by metalsupplier on Jul 31, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions

Maybe Kouz can play second?

now I am just desperate.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 1:31 PM PDT reply actions

Another trade??

The Atlanta Braves have acquired left-hander Royce Ring from the San Diego Padres for left-handers Wil Ledezma and Will Startup

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 1:32 PM PDT reply actions

that's a wash

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions

At least he's happy to be coming here

"I'm extremely disappointed," Mackowiak said before the White Sox played the Yankees in New York. "It hurts to go from the team you grew up watching and idolized as a kid."

Padres for life

by sdgaucho on Jul 31, 2007 1:33 PM PDT reply actions

uh-oh

not another Mirabelli!

by Mr Meadows on Jul 31, 2007 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions

to be fair

Mirabelli was leaving a team that had just won a championship.

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions

MIRABELLI LOVER!!!

LOL

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions

mirabelli was a douche

but at least he had logic. he couldn't hit and he was a sh*tty catcher. he knew he would BARELY hold on as a backup catcher with the padres, a team that wasn't any better than .500 and was full of people he didnt know. so he wanted to go back, be with his friends, win 5 more championships, have a secure job and get to start every 5 days even though he can't hit better than .180. wouldnt you want the same thing?

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 1:40 PM PDT up reply actions

Actually.

It's awesome that he is a douche. Cla Meredith and Josh Bard. We can thank him for those guys everyday.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 1:42 PM PDT up reply actions

Funny. Hates to be traded from a team

13 out of first to a team in contention.

by planetjeffy on Jul 31, 2007 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions

Prick.

I don't like him already.

Yeah, I'd hate to go to a team that has no chance of making the playoffs in a shithole of a city. Oh, wait a minute.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions

Ensburg is actually having a good July

July AB:47 .319/.373/.447

Road AB:117 .265/.343/.479

I am going to find stats until I like this trade

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 1:39 PM PDT reply actions

i saw those stats too

and they were followed by "which is due to Ensberg hitting against mostly left-handed pitching for the month."

by John Gennaro on Jul 31, 2007 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions

don't ruin this for me

I need this to be a good trade,

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions

I have a feeling...

...Mr. Mexico will be going through quite a bit of micro-brew over the next 10 hours.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions

Screw it

I need my "pain go bye-bye juice" now.

"Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!"

by Ron Mexico on Jul 31, 2007 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions

Ensberg was great on my fantasy team...

... in 2005.

He has not been NEARLY the same player since.

by Spec20 on Jul 31, 2007 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions

Same

Then I went to a function where he was speaking and he basically admitted to doing well in season when he knew it was most visible and then reverting to a .220 hitter the rest of the time. I had him on my next fantasy team and sure enough... .220. At least he was honest.

by Dex on Jul 31, 2007 6:27 PM PDT up reply actions

Write up of the deals so far

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2956001

Sorry if it has been posted already

by wait till next year on Jul 31, 2007 1:54 PM PDT reply actions

I'm a little upset with Mackowiak's attitude...

"I'm extremely disappointed," Mackowiak said before the White Sox played the Yankees in New York. "It hurts to go from the team you grew up watching and idolized as a kid."

Someone better pee on him in the shower.

by wait till next year on Jul 31, 2007 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions

He needs a Giles Sandwich

Somebody give him a hug...

by sqrunt on Jul 31, 2007 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions

Eff that guy already

unless a few slaps from Greg's HOF member straighten him out. Padres baseball isn't that bad, Robby- unless shitty, out-of-contention baseball is just kind of your cup of tea. Don't be a douchebag; embrace your new home- might as well deal with it; the White Sox won't be needing you back to catch anyone's knuckleball.

"I try not to get overly excited... But I am pleased with it..."

by TheThirdGonzalez on Jul 31, 2007 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions

we lost Snacks!?

NOOOOOOOOO!!!

That was our best direct chance for an interview with a player.

by Dex on Jul 31, 2007 2:00 PM PDT reply actions

Yeah, for these guys?

Ledezma started the season with Detroit, then was traded to Atlanta. The 26-year-old lefty was 0-2 with a 7.71 ERA in 12 games for the Braves and designated for assignment Sunday. Startup, a 23-year-old lefty, was in his third season in the minors.

Then again, I will never question KT on pitching trades....but will brutally critisize him on everything else (except Bradly).

by planetjeffy on Jul 31, 2007 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions

Matt Morris to the Pirates

The Pirates have acquired Matt Morris from the Giants for outfielder Rajai Davis and a player to be named later. I'm guessing they just wanted salary relief, because Davis isn't much more than a speedy reserve outfielder.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 2:01 PM PDT reply actions

vintage

copy and paste.

by From the 303 on Jul 31, 2007 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions

Yes.

It was. Wasn't trying to steal from www.mlbtraderumors.com....just trying to get the trade info out as quickly as possible. Thanks, though.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 6:58 PM PDT up reply actions

And

...WTF do you mean by "vintage"?

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 7:03 PM PDT up reply actions

Startup

The Ring deal was about Will Startup, who is apparently a lefty prospect and not, as I first thought, a made up name. From Padres press release:

Startup, 22, is 3-2 with a save and a 2.23 ERA (12 ER/48.1 IP) in 42 appearances at Triple-A Richmond in 2007. He has walked 17 and fanned 47.

Note the BB/K ratio compared to Ring.

by Billy Almon on Jul 31, 2007 2:24 PM PDT reply actions

He shall be

to our pen what Milton Bradley has been to our offense... which is to say a bright spot but not enough to make a big effin' difference.

"I try not to get overly excited... But I am pleased with it..."

by TheThirdGonzalez on Jul 31, 2007 11:54 PM PDT up reply actions

Wally Joiner our new Hitting Coach...

Merv is gone...

[This Space For Rent]

by ShaneHale on Jul 31, 2007 2:27 PM PDT reply actions

Link

http://sandiego.padres.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20070731&content_id=212 0471&vkey=pr_sd&fext=.jsp&c_id=sd

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions

oh okay

thanks drama :)

"i kinda feel like nevin and klesko were some fling we (the padres) had in the past and now realize were a bad idea and are embarrassed about."

by freelunch on Jul 31, 2007 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions

wait is that for real?

:P

"i kinda feel like nevin and klesko were some fling we (the padres) had in the past and now realize were a bad idea and are embarrassed about."

by freelunch on Jul 31, 2007 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions

YES

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions

I told you guys a few days ago...

...that Merv had to go.

But I'm not to sure about Wally. I like the guy, but I don't know if he's the right hitting instructor for this team. I don't see him being much different than Merv.

by Spec20 on Jul 31, 2007 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions

Merv Gone!

alway fire the hitting coach when things go south.

by planetjeffy on Jul 31, 2007 2:28 PM PDT reply actions

Weird timing

Way to can the guy right after the team piles up 18 runs!

"Winfield's head hits the wall! It's rolling toward second base!" - Jerry Coleman

by metalsupplier on Jul 31, 2007 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions

eh

Sure, whatever. Hopefully Wally has phrases like "Hey Marcus, don't suck" in his arsenal.

by Dalton on Jul 31, 2007 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions

KEVIN TOWERS

Kevin Towers will be on with Scott and Billy Ray tomorrow at 8:05am on XX Sports Radio/1090am.

by Drama on Jul 31, 2007 2:54 PM PDT reply actions

KT Press Confrence at 4:30 PM PST

XX will carry it.

[This Space For Rent]

by ShaneHale on Jul 31, 2007 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions

Compared to Mackowiak...

at least Ensberg seems chipper:

"I didn't perform well here at all," Ensberg told Houston television station KRIV. "I am really looking forward to a new start."

Cool...except for the "I didn't perform well" part.

by Mr Meadows on Jul 31, 2007 3:15 PM PDT reply actions

Not merv!!

I am sad to see Merv go. I could see his influence with guys like Khalil.

But on the other hand... WB WALLY!

The right man in the wrong place can make all the difference in the world.

by Axion on Jul 31, 2007 3:47 PM PDT reply actions

Ledezma?

Really? He seems like a liability. I don't mind a straight-up Snacks/Startup trade, but making Ledezma a Padre carries the risk that Bud Black will actually use him in a game.

by ExPadtriate on Jul 31, 2007 3:53 PM PDT reply actions

Ledezma

I assume they'll send him to AAA, right?

"Winfield's head hits the wall! It's rolling toward second base!" - Jerry Coleman

by metalsupplier on Jul 31, 2007 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions

Throw this piece of crap in

on any waiver trade we happen to make (which will assuredly be badass in the long run).

"I try not to get overly excited... But I am pleased with it..."

by TheThirdGonzalez on Jul 31, 2007 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions

Whoa

Just saw the Wally Joyner thing. I like this this. I have no idea how he is as a hitting coach I just know I liked him when he was a Padre.

I have this one clear memory of talking to him in a Henry's Grocery Store when I was like 7 when he had a broken arm.

by padresgirlforlife44 on Jul 31, 2007 3:56 PM PDT reply actions

Return of those Wally World guys

with the bald heads? That doesn't sound so bad.

by matthewverygood on Jul 31, 2007 3:57 PM PDT reply actions

Interesting day...

I've kept my head out of the blog to just soak in the day and not let my emotion of not getting a big namer get in the way of reality.

The reality is...most of the sports writers and blog sites OUTSIDE of San Diego regard KT and the Pads as winners in the trade deadlines...

Why? Because recognizing that there wasn't anyone that was really viable for us to pickup, KT did the one thing he could do, and that was upgrade the bench, and did so dirt cheap.

Think about it, we KNOW we are going to be pulling Wells, Germano, Maddux out at 6th or 7th...in these games, if any of these bench guys came up big for us, and they had their chances, maybe the outcomes of some of these games are different.

I'm upset that we got no big names, but I'm glad we upgraded the bench and did so for nothing.

Um...hello, isn't Milton Bradley doing essentially what this supposed "big named bat" would have been doing.

Second base...hmmm...options aren't over, people can clear waivers, it isn't a far fetched thought that we could still pick up a viable 2nd baseman by the end of the year.

by bktabinga on Jul 31, 2007 4:20 PM PDT reply actions

i think we made some decent moves, considering

our bench was way weak. actually awful. and hopefully we have a couple guys now who aren't automatic outs in pinch hit situations. we made a couple pitching moves that might be fine but that i don't have any real informed opinions about.

but, really, what was out there? were we going to get teixeira or gagne?

i was interested in that igawa rumor. i've watched kei igawa be awful this year for the yankees...but i think a fresh start in petco on a good staff--and out of the AL east and the excruciating limelight of new york--might have done him some good. certainly no worse than a lot of germano/wells starts.

by goose1 on Jul 31, 2007 6:12 PM PDT reply actions

cut Machowiak a little slack

Guy was probably totally shocked to be traded, sounds like he was just being honest.

Besides, once he gets to SD -- I think the "disappointment" will probably go away. I mean, if you're a ballplayer, how could you not want to play in SD? Weather's great, people are nice, new ballpark, camo uniforms, etc . ..

by Nick G on Jul 31, 2007 6:29 PM PDT reply actions

Compared to our us

our rivals didn't seem to do much tweaking. Dodgers did the Proctor/Betemit deal (they needed pitching, but I'm not sure I think this was the best move for them.) Diamondbacks and Rockies didn't do much of anything except give us Hairston. Giants...well, who cares?

Compared to them, all the deadline trading action in the West went down in SD. (Not to mention we also fire our hitting coach.) Does all this make it look like we're scrambling in a panic to make our team better, while the other teams are more confident with what they have?

by Mr Meadows on Jul 31, 2007 6:37 PM PDT reply actions

That should be

"Compared to us" (not "compared to our us")

:-)

by Mr Meadows on Jul 31, 2007 6:37 PM PDT reply actions

So...

Wally's the new Defense Against the Dark Arts professor, huh?

by Boy Howdy on Jul 31, 2007 7:58 PM PDT reply actions

good one

by socalgirl30 on Jul 31, 2007 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions

Since the Alderson reign began

the Pads cannot be accused of not making moves. They are active all year long. THE move was Bradley. We upgraded our bench and bullpen, but am I happy? No, goddammit.

by planetjeffy on Jul 31, 2007 8:12 PM PDT reply actions

It doesn't matter...

It doesn't matter who the messenger is. This will be the third hitting coach in less than 3 years. These guys who need instruction just do not listen. They do not take there batting practice or cage sessions to the plate. This team just does not make any adjustments to the situation. They are the most frustrating team in baseball. They all go up there trying to hit a homerun. Every at bat, every time! This is why Magadan got fired this is why Rettenmund got fired and this is why Wally is just a 2 month band aid fix. He will not be back next year. Why should he? They won't listen!

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