Anyone willing to punch Carlos Zambrano and/or A.J. Pierzynski is OK by me
I don't particularly like Carlos Zambrano. Seeing him come out of the clubhouse with his pants half on just to try to attack Chris Young didn't sit very well with me. I don't mind A.J. Pierzynski's act, but the dude could use a punch to the nose every now and then.
What is it about the enemy of your enemy is your friend? Well, now it's (semi-)official. Apparently, the Padres have acquired Michael Barrett. They don't say who we moved for him, but I like to imagine that Barrett played against the Padres and then requested amnesty from the heck on earth that is the Chicago Cubs.
The only unfortunate is that Barrett will no longer be able to fight the evils of Chicago baseball from within. He'll have to throw stuffed animals from the outside like the rest of us.
Update [2007-6-20 10:53:6 by Dex]: Word on the street is that we moved Bowen and Kyler Burke. Who else on the Cubs can we provide amnesty to?
Update [2007-6-20 11:3:29 by Dex]: Discussion on Bleed Cubbie Blue. No consensus yet, though it looks like people are leaning towards realizing that the Cubs were attempting an addition by subtraction, but may not have received enough in return. I always thought Bowen was a decent catcher.
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As I begin to digest more
9HR's and he is already second on our team in HR's (granted he has not played at PETCO).
I'm sure that fight mentality will be silenced in the presence of Wells, Maddux, Young, Peavy.
A proper introduction by the Giles boys and maybe a reference to our winning record will make a saint out of anybody.
and
by TheGrandHatching on Jun 20, 2007 7:23 AM PDT up reply actions
this is an upgrade
Something doesn't sit right with me
Even though everyone has to deal with a-holes at work, most of us don't throw down with them.
by TheGrandHatching on Jun 20, 2007 7:32 AM PDT reply actions
Barrett
Wait a minute
Again, we all know Pierzynski is a major league asshole -- as well as Zambrano -- but I would much rather see a level-headed player make an attempt to diffuse the situation during a confrontation with either of them rather than make it worse.
The Padres, as far as I know (based on UT pre-season fluff stories), are sitting on great team chemistry. Why mess with that?
by TheGrandHatching on Jun 20, 2007 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Chemistry
Remember, we had "good chemistry" recently when Robert Fick was with the club. Had good chemistry with Kevin Brown and Jim Layritz playing on the same team. I don't think that putting a guy who's competitive an passionate on a winning ballclub will hurt anything. I think you'd have to add a guy who's threatened death on mothers and sent photos of handguns to people before you really start to hurt chemistry.
AJ vs. Barrett
AJ's excuse was that he was going around Barrett to get his helmet. That's bullshit. First off, AJ is a known asshole. (That's why the Giants ran him out of town. In a clubhouse with Bonds and Kent...AJ was considered the biggest dick. That's amazing.) And secondly, we're supposed to believe that after scoring a big run, in a big series against their hated cross-town rival...he's going after his helmet? Aren't there bat boys in Chicago? He was taking a step towards Barrett like a DB would after laying out a wide reciever. He was being AJ...a dick. And Barrett wasn't going to let him get away with it.
If I remember right
by A Whales Vajayjay on Jun 20, 2007 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
They should
by California Penal on Jun 20, 2007 7:36 AM PDT reply actions
Maybe
On another note, does anybody have video of the Khalil inteview after the game yesterday? It was hilarious, I started to feel bad for the reporter trying to ask questions and getting stonewalled.
Khalilbot
Someone needs to make a compilation video of Khalil's interviews and put it on YouTube.
Is Barret a rent a player?
by 19 51 @ Gaslamp Ball on Jun 20, 2007 7:47 AM PDT reply actions
I was there
Barrett
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 7:53 AM PDT reply actions
ugh
i'm not saying it's a terrible move. it's a KT move. get a guy who's a quality starter somewhere else for cheap because of the circumstances. i just don't know if he really fits in with this team, and i think i'd prefer Bard starting.
Barrett
Michael Barrett is now a San Diego Padre. Let's welcome him with open arms and give him the benefit of the doubt. This is an upgrade.
Fine, I'll welcome him
by TheGrandHatching on Jun 20, 2007 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions
Also
by TheGrandHatching on Jun 20, 2007 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions
That's interesting
Of course, neither Maddux nor Zambrano will explicitly say why Blanco was preferable (teammates never throw other teammates under the bus). Essentially, there was a lot of talk regarding Barrett's mental mistakes.
by TheGrandHatching on Jun 20, 2007 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm a nerd.
2004-2006, maddux started 89 games for the cubs, and barrett caught 41 of them, or 46%
- 33 starts, barrett appears in 2 - 6%
- 34 starts, barrett appears in 24 - 71%
- 22 starts, barrett appears in 15 - 68%
2004 : 122 of 162 - 75%
2005 : 116 of 162 - 72%
2006 : 75 of 96 - 78%
Conclusions: While Blanco was clearly Maddux's personal catcher in 2004, Maddux lost that privilege in 2005 & 2006... either that or Maddux & Barrett managed to get on the same page.
Nice work is right!
by TheGrandHatching on Jun 20, 2007 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions
well...
So I took dumped all the game appearances for maddux and barrett into Excel, sorted by date.
I deleted any games barrett played where he had 1 or 0 at bats, assuming he'd come into that game as a PH or defensive sub.
Then it was just a matter of having excel tell me where maddux and barrett appeared on the same date, and summing everything up.
And to answer your next question, yes, I spend most of my work day with excel...
I agree it's a baseball upgrade
Exactly...
It's funny listening to KT on XX Radio right now, they're avoiding the names "Barrett" and "Bowen" because the trade hasn't been finalized, and they're dancing around any guarantees but using little analogies and hints to imply that the deal's done. KT has said that he did ask Maddox about Barrett's character, and that there weren't any concerns there.
Again guys, I think we're really going to be happy with this one...if you remove the character concerns some people have, and just look at numbers, our new catcher is an improvement in pretty much every category over our old one...and we're saying this after still holding on to our starting catcher, and losing an underproducing and inconsistent backup, an A-baller, and cash.
Sure, the A-baller will eventually be an all-star (isn't that how it always works?), but the 5 years until that happens should be very rewarding.
by California Penal on Jun 20, 2007 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
MLB Trade Rumors
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Chemistry issues??
by The Pickmaster on Jun 20, 2007 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions
Barrett!
I need a rally fish.
- shane
BCB
LMFAO!!
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 8:31 AM PDT reply actions
sdsuaztec4
Padres catching
This year's Padre catchers have a pitching staff with better numbers, and equally bad performance against base stealers, and nobody says jack about their pitch calling. Maybe Barrett can throw a few more people out. In any case, I predict we'll soon start to hear in interviews with Padres brass, he's a great presence behind the plate and calls a great game.
Last night
Padres pitchers - every single one - do not care about base runners stealing. At least, it seems that way since they never attempt to hold them on. It has to be a coaching philosophy to not work on moves to first. I've never known a whole team to be so bad at it no matter WHO is behind the plate.
Bud Black
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
It did not start with Black
Whatever
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions
I can admit this now.
Kyler could end up being pretty good...but who the hell knows? He's rated as the Padres 9th best prospect. But he's 19 and in A ball. He could be a star or he could be serving anyone of us a fish taco at Rubio's in five years.
This trade is a SLIGHT improvement
Now, let's concentrate on getting Adam Dunn!
Agreed
Adam Dunn
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
Gotta agree with my good friend RBS
We need a big bat to complement Adrian, and Dunn's going to be the best available (unless Junior Griffey decides he wants out of Cincy, but he would probably go to Atlanta).
Dunn and Branyan are both big boys, but Branyan is no Dunn. Russ has never hit more than 20 HR, is a career .231 hitter and his lifetime OPS is 80 points lower than Dunn's.
Dunn's batting .267 this year, is second in the NL in HRs and draws a boatload of walks (although they're down somewhat this year for some reason). He does strike out a ton, but I'll take a K over a DP any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Dunn = Branyan? Not a chance.
KT, make the trade for Dunn!
by SolanaPadsFan on Jun 20, 2007 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions
I just have one question
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions
need to upgrade LF
Dunn is a below-average LF defensively, obviously. However, he has much better offensive numbers than all of our current LFs combined -- including stolen bases!
If you can't find room in the lineup for a 40-HR, 90-100 RBI guy with some speed on the basepaths...
by SolanaPadsFan on Jun 20, 2007 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions
Let Russell play more...
by The Pickmaster on Jun 20, 2007 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions
My take
In any case, our catching platoon is better now. I was wondering how KT was going to handle this since Bard's numbers are down from last year. I'm excited to see Barrett catch and hit for us.
by matthewverygood on Jun 20, 2007 9:07 AM PDT reply actions
I'll be flat out honest...
Somewhere in between...
I don't get this.
wait...
Shades of Jim Leyritz, perhaps?
No, but I did hear he has
by TheGrandHatching on Jun 20, 2007 9:22 AM PDT up reply actions
Can he throw out a friggin'runner at 2nd??
by The Pickmaster on Jun 20, 2007 5:16 PM PDT up reply actions
Kevin Brown
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 9:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Brownie...
Well hell...
Good grief.
by The Pickmaster on Jun 20, 2007 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Re: Barrett doubters
I'm excited about this trade, kind of. I like runs.
by TheGrandHatching on Jun 20, 2007 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Cubs fans...
That was so funny
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions
Isn't that hilarious?
"Uh...Hi, Michael. Jim here. You've been traded to the team with the best record in the NL and the best pitching staff in baseball. Oh, and it's 75 degrees there everyday and you'll play in a beautiful new park on the water."
I bet
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 9:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Actually
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Well said!
My real concern about Barret is team chemistry. I just hope he's not a super serious asshole and that he doesn't mind seeing some man-meat (Giles's) every now and then.
by Brad @ Gaslamp Ball on Jun 20, 2007 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
Let's welcome our new Padre
One interesting thing about Barrett, if you look at his history, is that he can play 3B and 1B (and SS in a pinch).
He isn't any better than Bowen at throwing out runners (18% for the last two years), but he's about as good as Jorge Posada, Jason Varitek, Johnny Estrada and Brian McCann. He's allowed the third-most passed balls in baseball this year, but in 2005 he was one of the best on passed balls allowed. (He played a lot of 1B last year after Lee got hurt.) I think he's just having a bad defensive year, an anomaly for a guy who's an average defensive catcher historically-speaking.
Anyway, he immediately becomes the second or third best hitter on the Padres, at a position where offensive production is usually scarce. We got him much in the same way we got Bard -- a big city team overreacted and shipped him out of town. Maybe he just needs to go surfing, take his clothes off, eat a fish taco and relax!
More on Barrett....
My favorite part of the article:
"Barrett is now an ex-Cub. He has been traded to the San Diego Padres for a pittance of what a starting catcher would normally be worth on the open market.
In one fell swoop, the Cubs have rid themselves of a lightning rod and have dramatically improved San Diego's chances of winning the National League pennant (thereby reducing the Cubs' chances of winning it, minuscule as they already are)."
Whos getting the Cash?
Bowen was making $380k, while Barrett something like $4.5m. I would assume Pads would get some cash... but dunno.
- shane
From Ken Rosenthal:
What I've read
Poor Bowen
While I'm happy we got Barrett and believe he will be a plus to the team, count me in the Bowen fan camp. My dad and I were talking this past Father's Day about how we would almost prefer seeing Bowen in the game as Bard, although we might have still been high after watching that home run derby against the Cubs that afternoon (Bowen hit home run #5).
by Mr Meadows on Jun 20, 2007 10:04 AM PDT reply actions
Moment of Silence for Bowen?
The Cubs are the Amtrak of baseball.
HAHAHAHAHAHA....
Just saw this on Bleed Cubbie Blue:
"I've been reading reaction over at Gaslamp
I gotta say I have lost quite a bit of respect for the group of fans they have over there. Quite a few classless comments pointed our direction. Really dissapointing stuff."
Obviously they've never met Smooth Jazz Man. Classic.
I saw that too
Much the same way they trashed CY
Like I says, it makes no difference, quit saying we're classless when you got guys like Smooth Jazz Man that deride the city of San Diego, gaslampball, and the "F*ing Padres" as he calls them everyday on BleedCubbieBlue.
We talk the same smack talk about the Cubbies as we do with the Dodgers, and other teams that generally other people also talk smack too.
So if you are a Yankees fan, are you going to think the entire Nation is classless because the entire world is Yankees haters. Come on now. You're a cubs fan, you relish in self-misery, that is what you are so proud out about. Classless, whatever.
yeah,
I was at the "brawl" game last saturday (my friend has season tickets), and we'd spent the majority of the game texting back and forth with his old roommate about how terrible branyan is. It was my contention, of course, that branyan was the best left fielder in the game(where he played that day), second only, perhaps, to the sledge/cruz platoon.
After Branyan sealed the deal with our only hit out of the infield that day, the lines of communication were cut, to which my friend said, "that's the last I'm going to hear from him for 2 weeks."
it occurs to me
I don't get it...
I have to tell you...
To be "peacemaker"
I do apologize as much as I dislike their team, as long as they don't wallow on our pages looking for sympathy, I'm fine.
And if there were comments, they were not made by all, I think Al runs a pretty good blog there, considering what he has to deal with :)
Other way around
since I was called out...
While I'm here I'll throw in my 2 cents about the trade. I'd be lying if I said I was familiar with either of the players we got in the trade so I'll just talk about Barrett. This has been a rough year for Barrett both at and behind the plate. He has never been an exceptionally gifted defensive catcher. Barrett's saving grace has always been his bat and he wasn't hitting worth anything this year. I think it's very possible that things just snowballed on him this year. I think that a change of scenery could do him some good and I think he could be a good productive ballplayer for you. He had become rather unpopular in Chicago for his lack of production and his apparent issues with our pitching staff. On the field he may be a hot head, but from all accounts off the field he is a good guy. He has gone out of his way to interact with the fans here in Chicago and has actually done interviews with the Cubs blogs. Anyways, as I was saying I could see him turning things around out in San Diego with a fresh start. I wish him well.
by mikeFromBCB on Jun 20, 2007 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions
Nice post.
understandable
as a side question: How do you think the players on the Padres, specifically guys like Young and Peavy who were heavily involved in the activities feel about having Barrett on the team? It seems like with the veterans you have on your team it shouldn't be a problem but you never know.
by mikeFromBCB on Jun 20, 2007 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Just to give you a taste.
Lee, Young and Peavy.
Why hit one of the classiest guys in MLB? Makes little, if any sense.
And Peavy is a little punk, he had nothing to do with what was happening. Reminds me of the same thing that chicken shit Eric Show did, who plunking Andre Dawson in 1987.
Please delete my account, for this is the last time I will even visit here, and I'm sure none of the children that operate the page will give a damn.
After 25 years here, and even 4 years as a season ticket holder -- I truly hate this franchise, have done so since the antics of the 'fans' of 1984. But none of you are old enough to know, so I'm just talking to myself. I can only hope the Dodgers get their act together.
Hell, I'm moving to LA later this year anyway.
Have a nice life.
by Smooth Jazz Man on Sat Jun 16, 2007 at 10:07:45 PM CDT
As for your question...KT just told Jim Rome that Maddux was thrilled about having Barrett come over...and that in his opinion, there wasn't a player out there that could hurt the chemistry of that clubhouse.
Someone needs to tell that guy
by TheGrandHatching on Jun 20, 2007 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions
Jake is the ONLY one I would thik about!
As Drama posted below, Kevin Towers was just on Jim Rome's show and confirmed that Greg Maddux pretty much pushed for the trade was asked. From everything we have read, Maddux is a second pitching coach for Jake and CY. They all sit together in the dugout when they are not pitching and hang out together on off days. With a mature influence like that, I think the young guys will be fine. Shoot, Jake should totally respect whatever fire is burning in Barret! I can just picture Jake cussing a string at himself as he did at one point last night and having Barret shout back in agreement ;->>
I'm less concerned after hearing KT, but am still holding back judgment until I see him interact with our boys.
CY
Maddux is great with young pitchers. We had a few kids here (Marshall and Hill) that apparently did the same thing.
by mikeFromBCB on Jun 20, 2007 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions
from mlb.com
by TheGrandHatching on Jun 20, 2007 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
thanks mike
by metalsupplier on Jun 20, 2007 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions
Nicely done
I have to say that I have been nervous about going to Wrigley in August! I want to represent Gaslamp and wear our shirt there, but how is that going to go over? It will the Aug 2 Phillie game so should be no big deal if I show up with some Padre gear, right?
Finally...some level headed thought
IMO...we've had "cancers" or so it seemed in our clubhouse (Nevin, maybe Klesko, depends on opinion, Mirabelli)...and they quickly found themselves non Padres members.
I think Barrett will get along fine...the minute he doesn't, there aint no way he holds cred with guys like Maddux, Peavy, Hoffman, and I think we would soon see him not on our team.
15 Min....
- Young / Lee Suspensions
- Barrett Trade
- NL West
- shane
This whole thing is weird to me
This isn't just about the brawl.
KT
by 3Surfer on Jun 20, 2007 10:25 AM PDT reply actions
Listening now...
I like Barrett already...
by 1973Padres on Jun 20, 2007 11:01 AM PDT reply actions
meant to say...
by 1973Padres on Jun 20, 2007 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
KT
what
KT on Rome
Maddux
PLEASE PLEASE DONT BE AN ESPN ANNOUNCER, PLEASE!!!
Last night
Consigliere Maddux
Jim Rome interview
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 11:46 AM PDT reply actions
some info
That when he asked Mad Dog about the possibility of getting him, Maddux basically said "what are you waiting for? Go get him."
I can't wait
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 12:03 PM PDT reply actions
don't be too excited
It was an honor for me to play for [insert old team name] for [insert # of years played] years. I'd like to thank [insert GM name], the [insert old team name] organziation, and of course, the fans for making the past [insert # of years played] so enjoyable.
At the same time, I'm very excited to join the [insert new team name], and to do everything I can to help them win the [insert new team's division].
wow
"It was an honor for me to put on a Chicago Cubs uniform, and I want to personally thank Jim Hendry, the Cubs organization, and all of the Cubs fans for making the past four years so special," Barrett said in a statement released through his agent. "At the same time, I'm very excited to go to San Diego and do everything that I can to help the Padres win the NL West."
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions
Barrett
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 12:11 PM PDT reply actions
I knew
Start the fire sale now....
Never liked Boch
At leas the sucky Burroughs tried really hard and drank with college students in the dorm rooms.
Maybe
by GoPads on Jun 20, 2007 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
what happend
A very weak one
I'd trade Blum..
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
oh my
by TheGrandHatching on Jun 20, 2007 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Sigh...poor poor Uncle Barry
Barrett
For what it's worth, I like the deal. For a number of yrs, he was considered one of the best young catchers in the league. Can hit and does a good job defensively.
Like any team in disarray, the Cubs were pointing fingers and most of them ended up pointing at Barrett because he was an easy target - understandable when the expectations in Chicago were high and they're struggling. It's just part of the game.
But I think that in about a month, people are going to be wondering why they dumped him for nothing. Not that it wasn't the right thing to do for Chicago and for Barrett - the relationship was over - but I think that in SD, we're going to see Barrett do well and get along with everyone and add a lot to the team and it's going to look like a great pick up for the Pads.
by Winfield's Ghost on Jun 20, 2007 12:48 PM PDT reply actions
Red Sox series news....
Still a great matchup
Not according to MLB.com...
Saturday - Wakefield vs. Mad Dog
Sunday - Beckett vs. Jake
Dammit.
LOVE IT!
But still a solid trade, nonetheless.
Bard
But what do I know?
I think it could be good for Bard
Oh Boy
That said:
I feel a little heart broken for Bowen. Not that I was a fan. I actually don't have any strong feelings toward Bowen one way or another. He was a servicable player. He didn't kill me; he didn't blow me away. BUT, he must be feeling absolutely crushed. I mean, not only is he being traded from the best team in the NL in the best city in the country, but he's going to a team that is imploding! And a team that his team was just in a brawl with. Poor Bowen.
Otherwise, anyone Maddux vouches for, I'm cool with. I never got the feeling he was an instigator or trouble maker with the Zambrano thing (especially since he was the one that ended up with stitches). It should be all good.
Um, er
Er, all of you.
(Or I decided that if there was a series to take off so that I can attempt to reclaim the 9 hours in order to write those 60 pages for my research grant, I figured it was the Orioles series, though I couldn't resist taking a peak at Jake pitching every so often.)
The insinuation here
Not sure how to take that.
by Winfield's Ghost on Jun 20, 2007 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah. WG is right.
Looking back
I liked how you all "looked around" to see if there were any ladies in the house first, though.
Poor teemcee. All alone with all that testoterone.
It's all good...
I am a lone island of estrogen awash in a sea of testoterone.
thank you
Party hardy may be an overstatement
If I find myself in town in September
12 back....
I told you during the first series
barrett at petco tonight?
It says
by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Jun 20, 2007 2:52 PM PDT reply actions
Whoever picks the photos
Also, does anyone know if Barrett has a nickname, or are we going to have to make one up for him, too? I won't stand for M-Barr or some such nonsense!

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