Holliday never touched the plate - PROOF!

by RBS on Oct 13, 2007 12:26 PM PDT Comment 16 comments

Great new website just put up.
Don't know who made this site, but he makes a compelling case that Holliday never touched that plate, and that Tim McClelland sucks.

Check out the site here:
http://www.hollidaynevertouchedtheplate.com/

Does anyone know who made this site?

It's a total conspiracy. This site shows a still photo from a camera angle where the video was never seen, but would have clearly shown that Holliday was out.

Did TBS shelve the video because MLB asked them to?
Perhaps.

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Plate blocking

It's pretty conclusive, but the written rule is that Barrett wasn't allowed to block the plate without the ball anyway. The very first video clearly shows that the ball is falling out of Barrett's mitt as he's stepping on Holliday's hand.

by Dex on Oct 13, 2007 12:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Everywhere I've seen the rule quoted...

it's said the catcher can be there while in the act of fielding the ball as well, which Barrett clearly was doing.

by benrb on Oct 13, 2007 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

everyone says

that no umpires ever call that rule though dex. have you ever seen that called? i haven't. catchers can usually get away with it.

besides he was in the process of catching the ball so i think he legally had the right to be standing where he was. it would be a different story if the ball was nowhere near home.

i hate tony gwynn jr.

by Peavyforprez08 on Oct 13, 2007 1:00 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Regardless...

The rule is the rule. If he accidentally called it correctly, then he called it correctly. It's just like the rule that says you have to try to get out of the way of a pitch and if you don't, then you aren't awarded the base. It gets called correctly once in a blue moon, but that doesn't make it wrong to call.

by Dex on Oct 13, 2007 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Except..

that is NOT the rule. You are allowed to block the plate (or any base for that matter) as long as you are in the process of receiving the ball.

Rule 2.00 (Obstruction) Comment: If a fielder is about to receive a thrown ball and if the ball is in flight directly toward and near enough to the fielder so he must occupy his position to receive the ball he may be considered "in the act of fielding a ball." It is entirely up to the judgment of the umpire as to whether a fielder is in the act of fielding a ball. After a fielder has made an attempt to field a ball and missed, he can no longer be in the "act of fielding" the ball. For example: an infielder dives at a ground
ball and the ball passes him and he continues to lie on the ground and delays the progress of the runner, he very likely has obstructed the runner.

Barret was most definitely in the process of fielding the throw from Giles. It is not his fault that Giles threw a rainbow to him.

by osbug on Oct 16, 2007 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Irony

After all of the rallies they started for us, who woulda thought a rainbow would be our demise?

by TheThirdGonzalez on Oct 20, 2007 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

True

Maybe because we took the rainbows for granted and never made them a shirt or anything. Was the Rally Unicorn around at all?

by osbug on Oct 21, 2007 8:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sweet Site.

The MLB and ESPN must be involved in some conspiracy for the Rockies to win it all.

Let's go drink some beer.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 13, 2007 1:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

Who?

By "MLB and ESPN" do you mean "God"?

by Dex on Oct 13, 2007 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Must be.

Does that mean Mcclenland is like Moses or something?

Let's go drink some beer.

by Sam (sdsuaztec4) on Oct 13, 2007 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

What'd I tell ya?!

Brad Hawpe knows it too.

Matt Holliday never touched the plate and Tim McClellan knows it.

by sqrunt on Oct 13, 2007 4:32 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

It's the Zapruder film...

for people who can't let things go.

I just don't want San Diego fans to be thought of as these people who can't let a single play go and pick an umpire as a team's scapegoat until the next season starts. That makes us no better than Braves fans when Hrbek's bearclaw of an arm pulled Ron Gant off the bag in the '91 series, or Cardinals fans who say they lost the '85 series because Denkinger missed the call at first.

Other factors played in to those losses, and other factors played into the Padres' loss on the 1st. Hell, even if Holliday was called out, there's still a runner on second and two down, with Hoffman still on the mound and who knows what chances of getting out of the inning (and if that, then still rallying to win against what's proven to be an unbelievably resiliant Colorado team).

Tip your cap, enjoy the drama of playoff baseball, then let's look toward our young stars in High A and AA, and the off-season transactions that should make us a better team. It'll make you happy :)

by California Penal on Oct 13, 2007 11:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

I totally agree

by jbox on Oct 14, 2007 9:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agree completely

Yes, the call was blown. Yes, the Padres had already blown the game without any help from the umpires. Nothing was stolen from us. We let it get away. The Rockies executed, we didn't. It's over. Can't wait for '08.

Padres for life

by sdgaucho on Oct 14, 2007 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not to mention the Rockies 'double'

that was more than likely a home-run that bounced back into play. I haven't seen many replays of it, but you have to say at the very least the Padres caught a break there.

McClelland was slow calling everything that game, but part of me thinks that with a close play at home like that a 'make-up' call has to be somewhere in the back of his mind.

The Padres blew that game, I agree, all by themselves. With just a little break here or there over those last 3 games--Gwynn Jr.'s hit; a better throw from Giles to Barrett to get Holliday; Brocail not giving up that bases clearing hit in the Tomko-Suppan game--we should have been in the play-offs. But I'm not bitter about this season. It was a good one. And I'm a lot more interested next year than worried that Holliday never touched the plate.

by goose1 on Oct 14, 2007 7:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

And if you look at the grassy knoll, you can see..

JK. Tim McClelland has always been one of the worst umpires in the majors (See Incident, Pine Tar; might I remind that McClelland's call was overturned by the league) but unfortunately, there's no replay in baseball. Otherwise half the calls in the NLCS would have been overturned.

DbacksSkins

by DbacksSkins on Oct 17, 2007 2:05 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs