Soriano vs. Beltre vs. Gonzalez vs. Cameron

by Pants on Oct 12, 2006 6:09 PM PDT Comment 14 comments

I just put this post on an old thread and reprinted it here in an effort to generate more hot stove discussion.

Here's some 2006 stats of two of the free agent names that we've thrown around here on previous threads, compared to two of the more productive Padres from this past season. I'll let someone else slap together career stats and projected stats if all 4 had the same number of at-bats since Soriano has nearly 100 more ABs over Cameron. Richard, I am looking in your general direction because you always manage to put together some crazy stats like OPS for night games with the temperature between 75 and 80 degrees after the clubbie has filled the Gatorade tub with Fierce Grape and the chosen player's toenails have been clipped within the past 33 hours. Also, keep in mind where these guys bat in the line-up.

I am not putting A-Rod on here because we both know that ain't gonna happen.

2006
AT BATS
A-Gonz 570
Soriano 647
Cameron 552
Beltre 620

AVERAGE
A-Gonz .304
Soriano .277
Cameron .268
Beltre .268

OBP
A-Gonz .355
Cameron .353
Soriano .351
Beltre .328

SLUG
Soriano .560
A-Gonz .500
Cameron .482
Beltre .465

OPS
Soriano .911
A-Gonz .855
Cameron .835
Beltre .793

HOME RUNS
Soriano 46
Beltre 25
A-Gonz 24
Cameron 22

RBI
Soriano 95
Beltre 89
Cameron 83
A-Gonz 82

RUNS
Soriano 119
Cameron 88
Beltre 88
A-Gonz 83

SB/CS
Soriano 41/17
Cameron 25/9
Beltre 11/5
A-Gonz 0/1

2B/3B
Cameron 34/9
Soriano 41/2
Beltre 39/4
A-Gonz 38/1

K
Soriano 160
Cameron 142
Beltre 118
A-Gonz 113

GIDP
A-Gonz 24
Beltre 15
Cameron 8
Soriano 3

RISP 2 OUT AVG/OBP
Cameron .349/.461
A-Gonz .322/.420
Soriano .197/.380
Beltre .155/.318
Well, lookee here. Our Padres are a little more clutch with 2 outs with runners on 2nd and 3rd.

I cannot guarantee if the stats are exactly right as I toggle between screens. (And, yes, it is an extremely slow day at work) It is also worth noting that Soriano's power numbers dropped after the all-star break, whereas Beltre and A-Gonz did better during the second half of the season. And here's a good analysis of all the free agents (including pitchers).

Poll

Well?

Sign Soriano

19 votes

Trade for Beltre

6 votes

Neither

6 votes

Wait...what about Carlos Lee?

5 votes

36 votes | Poll has closed

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good work with the numbers

but the most amazing part of all these numbers is that Adrian Gonzalez attempted to steal a base.

by benrb on Oct 12, 2006 10:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

wOBA

wOBA is THE rate stat. Before park adjustments, Soriano hit .375, Cameron hit .371 and Gonzalez hit .367. Once you adjust for park, they hit .384, .396 and .391. Yes, PetCo is still easily the best pitcher's park even though it was less extreme than past years. I think it also goes without saying that Soriano is no where near the fielder that either Cameron or Gonzalez is. You wouldn't pay Cameron or Gonzalez 15 million per year for five years and they're both more valuable than Soriano. It's also worth noting that Soriano has never been good before this year.

Friar Faithful

by Richard Wade on Oct 12, 2006 11:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs

See

I knew I could count on you. Thanks, boss!

by Pants on Oct 13, 2006 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soriano....

"It's also worth noting that Soriano has never been good before this year." WHAT??

2002 - 39 HR's, 102 RBI's, 41 SB's with a .300 batting avg.

2003 - 38 HR's, 91 RBI's, 35 SB's with a .290 batting avg.

2004 - 28 HR's, 91 RBI's, 18 SB's with a .280 batting avg.

2005 - 36 HR's, 104 RBI's, 30 SB's with a .268 batting avg.

Soriano's worst season over the past five seasons was probably 2004. With his 2004 numbers he would have lead the 2006 Padres in both homeruns and RBI. His batting average would have tied him for 4th place among the regulars. And he would have been 4th on the team in stolen bases.

To say this guy wasn't good before this year is way off the mark. You're telling me you wouldn't put this guy at third base??

Let's have some fun out here! This game's fun, OK? Fun goddamnit.

by Drama on Oct 13, 2006 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Soriano not having been this good

Do you know what park he was playing in?

Friar Faithful

by Richard Wade on Oct 13, 2006 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Re: Typo

Also, I meant to say "this good," not just "good." Obviously, he's been "good" with the bat (of course, he was one of if not the worst fielder at the position)

Friar Faithful

by Richard Wade on Oct 13, 2006 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

"what park"

You mean New York? Texas? Or DC?

Let's have some fun out here! This game's fun, OK? Fun goddamnit.

by Drama on Oct 13, 2006 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Texas. His numbers from Texas are inflated.

Friar Faithful

by Richard Wade on Oct 14, 2006 2:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, but

...his numbers from RFK are close to as DEFLATED as A-Gon's are from PETCO...

I don't have ANY problem signing Soriano. That said, Sheffield might be a better sign. And he'd cost less which would allow us to spend money on the pitching staff...

Peter Friberg Http://padres.mostvaluablenetwork.com

by peterf on Oct 14, 2006 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Soriano is not a bad player.

I'm not trying to suggest that. What I'm trying to make clear is that he is extremely overrated. He's coming off perhaps his best season (in which he was about as good as Mike Cameron was this year). He's going to get paid so much more money than he's worth (and I'm only referring to '07). On top of that, he's going to get something like five years and he should be declining in every single one of them (including the first).

Friar Faithful

by Richard Wade on Oct 15, 2006 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not that I'm arguing against you...

but I would like to see your thoughts on pretend GM.

I really haven't seen what you would like have down over the off season.

I know you're pretty high on this team's core (i.e AGon, Cameron, etc.) but are you thinking the postseason gaffe was a fluke, or is there some flaw that needs to be fixed.

What are your thoughts on pitching, given that Woody and Dave are out of the picture. Just curious as you've given valid counterpoints to all our rumblings....

by bktabinga on Oct 15, 2006 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

My Thoughts

I haven't really looked at this year's free agent class yet. I will though.

Friar Faithful

by Richard Wade on Oct 15, 2006 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

A few guys who jump out...

These aren't necessarily players I think we should sign (I'm not sure what our roster pre-FA is and I don't know what kind of money these guys think they're worth).

Wes Helms, Scott Spiezio, Todd Walker, Aramis Ramirez, Jeff Cirillo, Rich Aurilia, Mike Piazza, Gregg Zaun, Dave Dellucci, Mark DeRosa, Chris Gomez.

Those are most bench level guys, but they're guys you wouldn't be terribly upset having to see play for two weeks in the event a starter gets put on the DL. If Piazza doesn't come back, I'm really not that high on Bowen, so Zaun is interesting.

*If any of those guys aren't FA, I blame (or if they all are, credit) Cot's MLB Contracts .

Friar Faithful

by Richard Wade on Oct 15, 2006 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs